121. Israel of the Bible vs Today's Nation State Waging Genocide in Gaza and How to Get Back to Jesus with Grace Batchoun

About this Episode

Is the world turning a blind eye to the plight of Palestinians? Grace Batchoun, a Christian and Co-founder of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, joins Craig for a deeply personal conversation about the ongoing Occupation of the Palestinian people and genocide in Gaza. Grace shares her journey as a Palestinian Christian and highlights the dire situation in Gaza, challenging the narrative of Israel's self-defense. 

Grace and Craig emphasize the need for Christians to align with the teachings of Jesus by advocating for peace and justice over death and destruction. Grace deconstructs the ongoing expansion of settlements, which defy international law and United Nations resolutions. How does this impact the lives of those in the region? The conversation unpacks the complexities of everyday life brought on by the Israeli Occupation of Palestinians, urging listeners to reconsider their perspectives and recognize the humanity of Palestinians. 

The current humanitarian crisis and genocide in Gaza is another focal point. The severe conditions caused by Israeli blockades and refusal to work toward a ceasefire agreement—continuing the unending starvation, destroyed infrastructure, and families in distress. What does this mean for the people living there, and how can the international community respond?

Craig and Grace also examine the role of evangelical Christian support for Israel. Does this stance align with the teachings of Jesus on peace and justice, or does it contradict them? Through personal stories and historical context, this episode offers a Palestinian perspective on displacement and life under occupation.

Finally, the discussion sheds light on the broader implications of Israel's actions on international law and human rights. How do these actions measure up against the conventions established after World War II? Listen to this episode of the Bad Roman Podcast and join the conversation online as we navigate these challenging topics, encouraging listeners to reflect on justice, peace, and the power of global solidarity.

Learn More about Palestine:

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Addressing the Gaza Crisis

• Craig expresses concern over the escalating situation in Gaza

• mainstream narrative that frames Israel as merely defending itself against terrorism.

(2:07) Grace Batchoun’s Background

• Grace shares her family's history as Palestinian refugees and her journey to Canada.

• Her parents were expelled from Palestine in 1948, leading to a life of displacement and eventual settlement in Canada.

• Grace discusses her Christian faith, which she embraced through InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and her active role in church ministries.

(4:09) Awakening to Activism

• Grace recounts a pivotal moment in 2002 that shifted her focus from personal life to activism, following a tragic incident in Jenin.

• The story of Jamal Fayid a paraplegic man crushed by an Israeli tank sparked her involvement in humanitarian efforts.

• This incident led to her collaboration with World Vision and the founding of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East.

(6:41) Humanitarian vs. Occupation Crisis

• Grace emphasizes the need to address the root cause of the conflict: the occupation.

• She argues that the issue is not merely humanitarian but deeply political, rooted in military oppression and land colonization.

• The ongoing occupation perpetuates suffering and prevents any lasting peace or resolution.

(9:07) Misinterpretations Among Christians

• Common misinterpretation among Christians regarding Israel as a nation state versus a biblical concept.

• Grace and Craig stress the importance of understanding the biblical context, where Israel is seen as a spiritual entity rather than a modern nation state.

• Confusion among Christians who equate biblical Israel with the current political state.

(12:12) The Reality of Gaza

• Grace provides stark statistics on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, including the destruction of infrastructure and the high number of casualties, particularly among women and children.

• Gaza as one of the most densely populated areas, suffering from severe shortages of basic necessities.

• The blockade and military actions have led to a dire humanitarian situation, with widespread destruction and loss of life.

(16:30) Genocide or Defense?

• The actions of Israel meet the definition of genocide.

• international legal definitions of genocide and how they apply to the current situation.

• Challenges the narrative that frames Israel's actions as self-defense, highlighting the disproportionate impact on civilians.

(19:01) Personal Stories and Historical Context

• Grace shares her family's displacement and the broader historical context of Palestinian expulsion and land loss.

• She recounts her family's experiences of being expelled from their home and the ongoing struggle for recognition and rights.

• The historical context of the 1948 Nakba and subsequent conflicts is discussed to provide a deeper understanding of the current situation.

(25:56) The Ongoing Occupation

• Grace details the continued expansion of Israeli settlements and the impact on Palestinian lives, drawing parallels to historical injustices.

• systematic displacement of Palestinians and the appropriation of their land for settlements.

• legal and ethical implications of the occupation and the international community's response.

(33:07) Misconceptions About Hamas

• Both speakers clarify that their stance is not in support of Hamas but rather in defense of human rights and international law.

• a common misconception that criticism of Israel equates to support for Hamas.

• The focus is on advocating for the rights and dignity of all people, regardless of political affiliations.

(36:09) International Response and U.S. Influence

• Grace discusses the global response to the conflict and the significant role of U.S. support for Israel, which she argues hinders peace efforts.

• The influence of U.S. foreign policy and military aid in perpetuating the conflict is examined.

• Grace calls for reevaluating international support and a push for genuine peace initiatives.

(41:32) The Role of Christians and the Church

• Craig and Grace critique the church's role in perpetuating misconceptions and call for a return to Jesus' teachings, focusing on peace and justice.

• They discuss the responsibility of Christians to challenge unjust systems and advocate for the oppressed.

• need for the church to be a voice for peace and reconciliation

(48:22) Call to Action

• Grace urges Christians to advocate for peace and justice, emphasizing the need for awareness and action against the ongoing occupation and humanitarian crisis.

• She calls for a collective effort to educate and mobilize communities to support human rights.

• The importance of speaking out and taking a stand against injustice is highlighted as a core Christian value.

(54:14) Personal Transformation and Advocacy

• Grace reflects on her journey from personal focus to activism, highlighting the importance of individual action in the face of global issues.

• She shares her experiences of overcoming apathy and becoming a vocal advocate for justice.

• The transformative power of personal stories and the impact of grassroots activism 

(1:02:11) Closing Thoughts

• Craig and Grace conclude with a call for continued advocacy and awareness, stressing the importance of speaking out against injustice.

• They encourage listeners to educate themselves and others about the realities of the conflict.

• The episode ends with a reminder of the power of collective action and the potential for change.

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120. The Beasts and the Lamb of Revelation: From Eden to Empire (Part 4) with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

Are we truly understanding the book of Revelation, or have we confined its message to the past? In Part 4 of our series "From Eden to Empire," invites you to explore Revelation as a paradigm for all empires, not just the Roman Empire. We delve into how its teachings provide a framework for Christians to navigate their relationship with worldly powers.

The imagery of the beasts and Babylon—often seen as symbols of Rome's imperial might—takes on new meaning as we discuss how these representations apply to any empire characterized by oppression and idolatry. What does it mean to bear the mark of the beast? We explore this as a symbol of allegiance to empire over God, contrasting it with the divine mark on believers. The origins of the infamous number 666 are also explored, examining its historical connections and broader implications about complicity with imperial power.

Revelation's call to "come out of her" challenges believers to separate from the ways of empire, urging them to live as citizens of God's kingdom. We also examine the concept of the antichrist—not as a singular end-times figure, but as any force opposing Christ's kingship.

Join us as we unpack these themes, encouraging a historically rooted understanding of how Revelation speaks to the dynamics of power and faith. As the United States looks to elect a new president, this episode promises to provoke thought and inspire reflection on the role of empires in our spiritual lives. Tune in and engage with these timeless questions.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(00:02:42) Matt's perspective on Revelation and dispensationalism

• Matt shares his past involvement with dispensationalist interpretations of Revelation

• importance of studying Revelation beyond a dispensationalist framework

(00:04:34) Interpretive views of Revelation

• four main interpretive views: futurist, preterist, historicist, and idealist

• dating of Revelation and its implications for interpretation

(00:08:35) Babylon and its representation in Revelation

• Early Christian and Jewish writers often equated Rome with Babylon

• Babylon serves as a paradigm for empires throughout history

(00:12:17) The whore of Babylon and its implications

• The whore of Babylon is linked to the goddess Roma, representing Roman patriotism

• The imagery is used to critique the entanglement of God's people with empire

• parallels to modern-day entanglements between church and state

• Characteristics of Babylon and modern parallels

• Scott McKnight's seven characteristics of Babylon are discussed: anti-God, opulent, murderous, image-focused, militaristic, economically exploitive, and arrogant

• need for Christians to recognize and resist these characteristics

(00:20:43) Call to come out of Babylon

• The call to "come out of her, my people" is explored as a call to separate from empire

• the story of Abraham being called out of Ur

• importance of living as a distinct people under God's rule

(00:23:08) The 144,000 and their significance

• 144,000 are interpreted as a symbolic representation of all who follow the Lamb.

• symbolic meaning of not defiling oneself with Babylon

(00:28:34) Introduction to Revelation 13

• key conflict text in Matt's dissertation.

• imagery of the dragon and the beast is discussed as a representation of empire

• themes of power and allegiance

(00:32:08) The beast from the sea and its symbolism

• linked to the Roman Empire and its political power

• connected to Daniel 7, where beasts represent empires

• beast as a symbol of empire, not a singular person

(00:35:26) The fatal wound and its historical context

• the near-collapse and revival of the Roman Empire

• historical context of Nero's suicide and the year of the four emperors

• empire's revival was seen as a resurrection

(00:42:23) The mark of the beast and its meaning

• symbol of allegiance to empire, contrasting with God's mark

• historical practice of branding and its implications

• symbolic nature of the mark as thoughts and actions aligned with empire

(00:50:23) The number 666 and its interpretations

• number is linked to Nero through the practice of gematria

• alternative interpretations, including connections to Solomon and empire and word beas

• symbolic meaning of 666 as getting in bed with power

(00:55:08) The concept of Antichrist in John's writings

• "Antichrist" is explored as anyone opposing Christ's kingship

  • the term is not used in Revelation

• broader application of Antichrist to any anti-kingdom power

(01:02:27) Overview and conclusion of the series

• Series aims to reconcile seemingly contradictory texts on church and empire-

• Call for Christians to live as a distinct kingdom

• choose allegiance to the Lamb over the beast

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119. From Eden to Empire (Part 3): Romans 13 Line by Line with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

In Part 3 of our series "From Eden to Empire," we unravel the complexities of Romans 13 and its implications for Christians living under governmental authority. Was Paul truly advocating for unwavering obedience to the state, or was his message more nuanced? We explore the context of Paul's letter to the Roman church in the 1st century, revealing that his words were tailored to address specific circumstances rather than offering a blanket endorsement of government power.

Our discussion delves into the idea of living peacefully within the empire while maintaining allegiance to Christ as the ultimate authority. We examine the distinction between submission and obedience, highlighting that the Greek term used by Paul suggests a voluntary yielding rather than blind compliance. This episode challenges listeners to consider when submission to earthly authorities aligns—or conflicts—with their commitment to Christ.

We also touch on the topic of taxes, suggesting that Paul's references may have been more about local dues and neighborhood authorities than the overarching Roman government. By contrasting the teachings of Romans 12 with the directives in Romans 13, we uncover how embodying the principles of the former can help navigate the challenges posed by the latter.

Join us as we dissect these themes, encouraging a deeper understanding of how Christians can faithfully engage with worldly powers while staying true to their spiritual convictions. This episode promises to provoke thought and inspire meaningful reflection on the intersection of faith and governance. Don't miss this crucial installment as we continue our journey from Eden to Empire.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(1:43) The Historical Context of Romans 13

• Discussion on the significance of Romans 13 in defending Christian entanglement with the state.

• Matt provides historical context, explaining the letter's timing and delivery by Phoebe.

(3:45) Paul's Mission for Unity in the Church

• Examination of the historical backdrop, including Claudius's edict and the shift in church leadership from Jewish to Gentile.

• Paul's mission to unify the church and promote the gospel message of Jesus as king.

(5:37) Paul's Revolutionary Gospel

• Analysis of Paul's use of imperial titles to assert Jesus's authority over Caesar.

• Discussion on the implications of Romans 13:1-7 and common misinterpretations regarding obedience to governing authorities.

(8:11) The Misinterpretation of Divine Ordination in Political Power

• Insight into the misunderstanding of divine ordination in political contexts.

• Clarification of the term "governing authorities" and its possible reference to local neighborhood leaders.

(11:12) The Structure and Themes of Romans

• Overview of the structure of Romans and its thematic elements.

• Emphasis on the distinction between submission and obedience, highlighting allegiance to Christ.

(14:26) The Sermon on the Mount and Its Impact on Society

• Exploration of how the Sermon on the Mount influences Christian behavior and societal norms.

• Encouragement for Christians to live peacefully and avoid unnecessary conflict with authorities.

(17:49) Homeowners Associations in Ancient Rome

• Insight into Roman neighborhoods and the role of local shrines and authorities.

• The potential conflict for Christians who chose not to participate in local cultic practices.

(20:45) The Role of Governing Authorities in Early Christianity

• Discussion on the context of taxes in Romans 13 and the potential reference to local dues.

• The broader message of rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

(24:20) The Role of Christians in Ancient Rome

• Examination of how Christians navigated their roles within Roman society.

• The importance of maintaining a good witness in the community.

(28:20) The Role of Governing Authorities in the New Testament

• Analysis of the New Testament's portrayal of governing authorities.

• Theological reflections on the relationship between Christians and political powers.

(52:52) Ancient Societies and Modern Perspectives

• Comparison of ancient societal structures with modern perspectives on governance.

• Discussion on how these insights inform contemporary Christian practice.

(55:31) The Double Voice in Romans 13

• Exploration of the dual messaging in Romans 13, addressing both public and hidden meanings.

• Insight into how Paul's message challenges traditional views of government authority.

(59:13) Allegiance and Conscience in Biblical Context

• Examination of the concept of allegiance and conscience in the Bible.

• Discussion on how these themes influence Christian behavior and decision-making.

(1:05:54) Jeremiah 29's Exile Guidance as a Metaphor

• Reflection on Jeremiah 29's guidance for exiles as a metaphor for Christian living.

• Encouragement to live out kingdom values while residing in worldly systems.

(1:08:35) Theological Reflections on Romans 12 and 13

• Summary of the key theological insights from Romans 12 and 13.

• Emphasis on the call to love and serve others as a reflection of Christ's teachings.

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118. From Eden to Empire (Part 2): First Peter's Insights with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

In the second installment of our series "From Eden to Empire," we delve into Matt's dissertation with a focus on the teachings of First Peter. Building on the foundation laid in our first episode, which explored the "Deuteronomy 32 Worldview," we now turn our attention to how these themes are expanded in Peter's writings.

Peter's teachings challenge us to reconsider the nature of submission—not as mere obedience to human authorities, but as a voluntary act for the sake of Christ. What does it mean to live as exiles and strangers, maintaining a distinct identity from the world's systems and authorities? This episode invites you to explore these questions and more.

We also discuss the transformative power of baptism, which Peter presents as a declaration of allegiance to God's kingdom. This act of spiritual warfare signifies a break from worldly systems and a commitment to a higher calling. How does this shape our understanding of spiritual identity and community?

Join us as we explore the call for Christians to live as witnesses, leading lives that not only silence critics but also draw others to Christ. Rather than seeking to fix or overthrow worldly systems, Peter's teachings encourage us to embody a different kind of revolution. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that deepens your understanding of First Peter and its relevance today.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Exploring Romans 13 and 1 Peter

• Guest Matt Mazakis returns for a series on Romans 13.

• Deuteronomy 32 worldview as a foundation.

• 1 Peter's submission texts compared to Romans 13.

(3:54) Context and Authorship of 1 Peter

• Authorship debate: Peter's role and Greek language differences.

• Audience: Jewish and Gentile mix in Asia Minor.

(8:34) Deuteronomy 32 Worldview

• Three falls in the Old Testament.

• Spiritual beings over nations leading people away from Yahweh.

(12:38) Living as Exiles

• Christians as exiles, separate from worldly systems.

• Identity as a chosen race, royal priesthood, holy nation.

(29:19) Submission and Authority

• "Submission" vs. obedience in 1 Peter and Romans 13.

• Greek term "hupotasso" and voluntary yielding.

(36:06) Cultural Context and Social Structures

• Emperor worship and social hierarchies in 1 Peter's context.

• Roles of slaves and wives; spiritual freedom in Christ.

(20:36) Baptism as Spiritual Warfare

• Baptism as a proclamation against principalities and powers.

• Allegiance to Jesus and renouncing worldly systems.

(40:27) Freedom and Honor

• Living as free people, serving God.

• Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God.

(47:28) Conclusion and Next Steps

• Looking ahead to part 3 

• Encouragement to live distinctively as Christians.

(48:11) Additional Resources

• Expedition 44 podcast for further exploration.

• Support the Bad Roman project through donations and social media engagement.

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117. From Eden to Empire Part 1: Deuteronomy 32 & Christ’s Nature with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

Explore the profound intersection of faith, spiritual governance, and political power with our guest Matt Mouzakis. Matt provides insights from his research, guiding us through a deep examination of Romans 13 using the "Deuteronomy 32 worldview." Together, we reflect on the early Christian perspective of state authority, highlighting the importance of prioritizing Christ over earthly powers.

We also delve into the role of spiritual beings like seraphim, cherubim, and angels, and how their actions influence human affairs. The discussion continues with a fresh understanding of God's nature—not as a strict authoritarian but as a collaborative partner in divine governance.

Key topics include forbidden knowledge, the significance of the three falls in Genesis, and the portrayal of Satan as more than a singular evil entity. We also unpack Psalm 82, which depicts a divine council and God’s judgment, offering a fresh perspective on justice.

As we turn to politics, Craig challenges reliance on human governance and argues for a return to Jesus' teachings. This leads to a thought-provoking discussion on how modern political systems clash with the early Christian conviction of having "No king but Christ." Join us as we explore these transformative ideas and reconsider the role of faith in the modern world.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(4:21) Deuteronomy 32 Worldview and Its Historical Context

• Exploration of the Deuteronomy 32 worldview, where God divides the nations and assigns spiritual beings (the "sons of God") to rule over them after Babel, while keeping Israel for Himself

• Early church history’s view on state authority, with Christians understanding themselves as part of God's chosen people under Christ, often in tension with surrounding political powers

• Presence of this worldview in Second Temple Judaism, particularly in apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch, which elaborate on the roles of these spiritual rulers and their rebellion against God

• References to scholars like Dr. Michael Heiser, who argues that understanding the Deuteronomy 32 worldview is key to interpreting the Bible's cosmic conflict between God and rebellious spiritual beings, as well as its implications for Christian views on governance and spiritual warfare

(8:04) Spiritual Beings and Their Roles

• Breakdown of seraphim, cherubim, and angels' roles in the divine order

• Seraphim as "burning ones" often associated with purity and worship

• Cherubim as guardians of sacred spaces (e.g., Eden, the Ark of the Covenant)

• Angels as messengers and intermediaries between God and humanity

• How these spiritual beings operate in the unseen realm and influence earthly events, including biblical examples like Daniel's visions or Jacob's ladder

(11:10) Rethinking the Nature of God

• Craig’s view of God as a collaborator, challenging the hierarchical, authoritarian view commonly held in Western theology

• Personal experiences that shaped this perspective, including encounters with suffering and injustice that prompted a reexamination of God’s role

• The idea of God working alongside humanity in a co-creative relationship, rather than imposing top-down control

• Contrast with the image of God as a monarchic ruler, drawing on the writings of modern theologians like N.T. Wright and process theology

(21:48) Forbidden Knowledge and the Fall of Spiritual Beings

• Genesis 6 and the concept of forbidden knowledge—focusing on the "sons of God" and their descent to earth to impart knowledge to humans

• Insights from Second Temple Judaism, particularly the Book of Enoch, which describes the Watchers (fallen angels) and their impact on human society (e.g., warfare, sorcery)

• Exploration of the ripple effects of this forbidden knowledge, particularly its role in increasing corruption, violence, and the distancing of humanity from God

(26:07) The Three Falls in Genesis

• The three major falls: the fall of humanity (Adam and Eve), the fall of angels (Genesis 6), and the Tower of Babel

• The fall of humanity seen as the introduction of sin and mortality, contrasted with the fall of angels as a cosmic rebellion against divine order

• The Tower of Babel as a story of human pride and God’s intervention to scatter nations, marking the division of the world’s spiritual and political powers

• Contrast between Western original sin and ancient Jewish views, which often focus more on corporate responsibility and spiritual rebellion

(32:08) Understanding Satan in the Old Testament

• Satan’s role as accuser and adversary in books like Job and Zechariah, where he serves as a prosecutor within God’s divine court

• Challenging the idea of Satan as a single, purely evil figure—early Jewish texts often depict multiple adversarial beings or forces

• Satan as a complex figure in early traditions, not yet the personified "Devil" of later Christian theology

(38:36) Divine Council and Judgment in Psalms

• Psalm 82 and the judgment of a divine council of gods, referencing ancient Near Eastern beliefs about multiple deities or spiritual beings ruling over nations

• Yahweh’s role as the supreme judge, condemning other gods for failing to uphold justice

• Themes of justice and God’s governance, tying into modern reflections on power, corruption, and spiritual accountability

(42:07) Government and Faith

• Critique of reliance on human governments, particularly in light of the early Christian conviction that worldly power is often corrupt and spiritually compromised

• Argument for returning to Jesus’ teachings of nonviolence, servant leadership, and the Kingdom of God as an alternative to political systems

• Flaws in human political systems, emphasizing the spiritual forces (often negative) influencing earthly governments, as suggested in texts like Ephesians 6:12

(44:50) Jesus as the Reflection of God

• Jesus as the true representation of God’s nature—emphasizing themes of mercy, forgiveness, and love that contrast with some portrayals of divine wrath in the Old Testament

• Challenge to traditional Old Testament views of God, especially regarding violence, punishment, and divine judgment

• Jesus’ teachings as a way to redefine divine understanding, focusing on His emphasis on humility, sacrifice, and radical love

(47:32) The Desire for a Tall King

• Israelites’ desire for a human king in 1 Samuel as a rejection of divine rule—paralleling modern tendencies to seek political leaders rather than trust in God

• Symbolism of Saul’s height as a reflection of superficial values (power, strength) that overshadow spiritual reliance on God

• Impact on understanding biblical leadership, emphasizing the contrast between Saul and David, a king after God’s heart

(50:21) Voting as a Rejection of God

• 1 Samuel 8 and the Israelites demanding a king, even after God warns them of the consequences—seen as a moment of turning away from direct divine leadership

• Discussion on the tension between human governance and divine authority, especially relevant to modern debates on Christian participation in politics

• Questions raised about whether voting in modern democratic systems reflects a similar desire for human control, potentially in conflict with a Christ-centered worldview

(55:14) No King but Christ: A Return to Early Christian Teachings

• Early Christian belief of "No king but Christ," emphasizing their refusal to swear allegiance to Roman emperors or earthly powers

• Implications for modern Christian practice—how this ancient conviction challenges contemporary involvement in political systems and nationalistic ideologies

• Exploration of how this principle calls for a reevaluation of political engagement, possibly advocating for a form of Christian anarchism or kingdom-focused living that transcends political affiliations

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116. Libertarianism Exposed: Corruption and Compromise with Jeremy Harding

About this Episode

Are libertarians compromising their principles for political gain? In this episode, we tackle some hard-hitting critiques of the Libertarian Party and its recent alignments. Our guest argues that many libertarians are willing to support political figures like Donald Trump and Argentine President Javier Milei to gain relevance, despite the contradictions this poses to libertarian ideals.

We dive deep into the hypocrisies of the Libertarian Party and the policies of figures they have recently supported, questioning whether they truly represent libertarian values. Our guest provides an extensive critique, highlighting the harmful practices and behaviors Milei, Musk, and Trump have all implemented and the echo chambers that form around such figures, stifling meaningful debate within libertarian circles.

The conversation takes a thought-provoking turn as we explore Christian anarchism. Should Christians reject statism entirely and follow Christ rather than political figures or parties? Our guest and host discuss this radical idea, challenging listeners to reconsider their political and spiritual allegiances.

We also scrutinize the funding sources within libertarian movements. Are libertarian organizations compromising their message by taking money from billionaires and corporations? Our guest argues that this financial backing undermines the principles these groups claim to uphold.

Join us for a compelling discussion that questions the integrity and future of libertarianism. This episode is sure to spark spirited debates and encourage listeners to think critically about their political beliefs. Tune in and let's question together!

Connect with Jeremey Harding:

• Website: https://jeremiahharding.com/

• YouTube: Jeremiah Talks

• @insanityisfree: Twitter (X), Instagram, Facebook, 

• Anarchunity.com

Episode Timestamps:

1:43 Guest Introduction, Libertarian Figures, and Criticisms

• Jeremy criticizes prominent libertarian figures like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel.

• Discussion on the contradictions within libertarian circles, especially regarding support for figures like Musk and Thiel.

5:34 Freedom of Speech and Censorship

• Elon Musk's compliance with censorship

• Twitter and authoritarian governments

• Concerns about freedom of speech

9:01 Anarchists' Views on Political Figures

• Political figure claiming to be an anarchist

• Running for presidency

• Anarchists leaning towards statism

10:29 Libertarian Party Process

• Inefficiencies in the party

• Corruption within the process

• Advocacy for alternative structures

16:24 Liberty Twitter Experience

• Speaker C's negative reputation

• Branding and interactions

• Influence within the libertarian community

18:24 Unconventional Opinions

• Libertarianism and anarchism

• Influence of societal figures

• Stepping away from material possessions

19:56 Evolution of Liberty Hangout

• Transformation to Trump-supporting outlet

• Shift in audience

• Creation of Catholic Hangout

22:55 Eric July and Ripiverse Comics

• Affiliation with Ripiverse Comics

• "Being libertarian" page

• Right-wing content and meme theft

27:01 Javier Milei's Political Shift

• Shift towards conservative figures

• Embrace of right-wing ideologies

• Critique of Libertarians compromising principles

29:54 Criticism of Javier Milei

• Issues with inflation

• Devaluing the currency

• Controversial support for Israel

46:24 Libertarian Funding Sources

• Connections to right-wing billionaires

• Impact on libertarian message

• Influence of Koch brothers and Peter Thiel

50:59 Ideals of Libertarianism

• Philosophy beyond non-aggression

• Property rights considerations

• Cultural and global contributions

58:24 Radical Ideals and Anarchunity.com

• Edgy content and Purpose of anarchunity.com

• Anarchist unity and original content

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115. Policing Without the State: Rethinking Law Enforcement with Jeff Perry

About this Episode

What would security look like in a society without government? In this episode of the Bad Roman podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Jeff Perry from Voluntarism in Action to explore this intriguing question. They delve into the concept of voluntary society security, discussing how private security firms, insurance-based models, and community-based solutions could replace traditional policing.

The conversation begins with a critique of the current government-run police system, highlighting significant issues such as qualified immunity, police militarization, and the lack of accountability. Jeff and Craig argue that the existing system often fails to protect citizens and instead perpetuates a cycle of fear and control. "The police protect you from what they'll do to you if you don't pay them," Jeff asserts, challenging listeners to rethink the foundational myths surrounding government and security.

Moving beyond critique, the discussion shifts to how free market principles could offer better incentives and outcomes for security services. Jeff explains how private security firms and insurance-based models could create a more efficient and ethical system. "In a free market, everyone together is smarter than anyone working alone," he notes, emphasizing the potential for innovation and improved services when competition is allowed to flourish.

The episode also explores community-based solutions, such as neighborhood watch programs, which could provide localized and responsive security. These solutions, Jeff argues, would be more accountable to the people they serve, unlike the current system where police are often insulated from consequences.

From a Christian perspective, Craig and Jeff delve into how voluntary solutions align more closely with Christian principles than coercive government systems. They discuss the moral implications of using force and coercion, contrasting it with the teachings of Jesus. "Jesus wants your heart. He doesn't want to force you to obey his commands," Jeff explains, highlighting the ethical alignment between Christianity and voluntaryism.

Episode Quotes:

"The police protect you from what they'll do to you if you don't pay them."

"In a free market, everyone together is smarter than anyone working alone."

Quick Takeaways:

• Understanding the potential of private security firms and insurance-based models in a voluntary society.

• Recognizing the flaws in the current government-run police system, including issues of accountability and militarization.

• Exploring how free market principles can create better security outcomes.

• Challenging the myth that government inherently protects its citizens.

• Aligning Christian principles with voluntary, non-coercive solutions for societal issues.
  

This episode is sure to provoke thought and encourage listeners to reconsider their views on security and governance. Tune in for a compelling discussion that questions the status quo and envisions a freer, more ethical society.

Connect with Jeff:

• Voluntaryism in Action Website

• Voluntaryism in Action LinkedIn

• Podcast: Voluntary View on  Spotify, iTunes, YouTube

Episode Timestamps:

00:02 Welcome and Introduction

• Craig kicks off the Bad Roman podcast.

• Today's topic: What would security look like in a voluntary society?

• Special guest: Jeff Perry from Voluntarism in Action (VIA).

00:22 Recurring Question on Security in a Voluntary Society

• Craig talks about the common question he gets about security in a voluntary society.

• Reintroduces Jeff Perry, who previously appeared with his wife, Sarah.

01:53 Jeff Perry's Article on Voluntary Society Security

• Jeff wrote an article on voluntary society security that Sarah shared in their discussion group.

• Craig found the article insightful and wants to dive deeper into it.

3:07 Personal Experiences and Reflections

• Craig and Jeff share their personal journeys towards understanding voluntarism.

• Craig talks about his initial struggle with the concept, especially regarding police.

4:20 Police and State Power

• They discuss the imbalance of power between police and the public.

• Craig and Jeff debunk the myth that police are there to protect you.

7:14 Qualified Immunity and Police Accountability

• Jeff explains qualified immunity and how it shields police from accountability.

• They compare police behavior to that of ordinary citizens and highlight the unfairness.

11:07 Voluntary Society and Security Models

• Jeff outlines potential security models in a voluntary society, like neighborhood watches and private security agencies.

• The role of insurance companies in providing security services to reduce claims and enhance protection.

16:32 Economic Incentives and Market Solutions

• Discussion on how market incentives would drive better security solutions.

• The potential for various security agencies catering to different community needs and values.

20:22 Addressing Concerns about the Poor

• How would poorer communities get security services in a voluntary society?

• The role of community efforts and pro bono services.

24:56 Misconceptions about Lawlessness

• Clarifying that a voluntary society would still have rules and agreements.

• The importance of mutual respect and cooperation in maintaining order.

30:34 Private Prisons vs. Private Policing

• Jeff addresses concerns about private prisons and distinguishes them from true market-based security solutions.

• Focus on restitution and compensation rather than punishment.

36:49 Military and National Defense

• Brief discussion on the myth of national defense and how voluntary solutions could address security without a standing army.

• Reference to the book "The Myth of National Defense" by the Mises Institute.

40:39 Closing Thoughts

• Craig and Jeff reflect on the importance of spreading the message of voluntarism.

• Encouragement for listeners to support Voluntarism in Action and other voluntary efforts.

43:06 Contribution to The Show

• Craig invites listeners to donate to the Bad Roman project through Spotfund.

• Information on how donations support local charities in Memphis, Tennessee.

47:28 Final Remarks

• Craig thanks Jeff for the insightful conversation.

• Encouragement for listeners to engage with the Bad Roman podcast and share their thoughts.

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114. Who Would Jesus Bomb? Questioning War Through Song with Jordan Smart

About this Episode

Musician Jordan Smart shares his journey from growing up in a religious household in Ohio to becoming a touring musician. He discusses his early disillusionment with the church, his deep connection to music, and how punk rock influenced his worldview. The conversation centers around Jordan's song "Who Would Jesus Bomb?", which caught Craig's attention and led to this discussion. Jordan explains that while he isn't vocally anti-war, his frustrations with how religious traditions can be manipulated for propaganda inspired him to write the song.

Jordan reflects, "I was raised to believe Jesus loves everyone, but seeing how that message gets twisted to justify violence really pushed me to write this song." The episode delves into the troubling support for war among Christians, the manipulation by governments, and the importance of compassion and humanity. Jordan also highlights his project, Songs Not Bombs, which raises funds for Palestinian children.

Craig and Jordan discuss poignant lines from the song, such as, "Would Jesus bomb the atheist, the Muslim, or the Jew?" and "Would you still believe in Jesus if you found out he was brown?" These lines challenge listeners to reconsider their views on war, politics, and faith. This episode is a thought-provoking listen for anyone interested in these critical issues.

Connect with Jordan Smart:

• Jordan Smart Music on Instagram

• Songs Not Bombs on Bandcamp - All Proceeds Go to Palestine

• Songs Not Bombs on Instagram

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

(00:45) Jordan's Background

• Jordan shares his upbringing in Ohio and his religious family background

• His journey with music, starting from a young age

• Background with Christianity and anarchy

(02:00) Music as a Form of Protest

• Discussion on Jordan's project "Songs Not Bombs"

• Efforts to raise funds for the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund (PCRF)

• The impact of music in processing and responding to world events

• Anti-War Sentiments

• Jordan's long-standing anti-war beliefs were influenced by punk rock

• Reflections on the current state of global conflicts

(7:27) The Power of Music

• Craig and Jordan discuss the emotional impact of music

• Music as a medium to express complex feelings and ideas

• The ability of music to resonate with diverse audiences

(9:40) Christianity and War

• The troubling support for the war among some Christians

• The disconnect between Jesus' teachings and modern Christian behavior

• Reflections on the pro-war stance of certain Christian groups

(11:59) Generational Perspectives

• The younger generation's growing disillusionment with the current system

• The potential for the younger generation to drive change

• The impact of social media and 24-hour news cycles on youth

• Political Disillusionment

• Failures of both major political parties in the U.S.

• The need for a new approach to governance and societal issues

• Personal experiences with political disillusionment

(16:45) Personal and Political Pushback to Jordan’s Song “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”

• Jordan shares experiences with pushback from friends and family

• The challenges of speaking out on controversial issues

• The importance of staying true to one's beliefs.

(20:51) Echo Chambers and Authenticity

• The importance of breaking out of echo chambers

• Staying authentic and true to one's message

• The impact of authenticity on audience engagement

(24:26) The Role of the Military

• Discussion on military recruitment and its implications

• The true threats to freedom and liberty

• Reflections on the U.S. military's global impact

(30:43) Compassion and Humanity

• Emphasizing the need for compassion towards all people

• The interconnected nature of various social justice issues

• The role of compassion in creating a better world.

34:59 Challenging Beliefs

• Jordan's song as a tool to challenge deeply held beliefs

• The importance of questioning and re-evaluating one's views

• The impact of music in provoking thought and discussion

(39:40) Personal Journeys

• Craig shares his journey from neoconservatism to Christian anarchism

• The influence of early church writings on his views

• The role of personal experiences in shaping beliefs

(43:17) The Influence of Social Media

• The role of social media in shaping public opinion

• The dangers of misinformation and propaganda

• The impact of social media on political and social views

(47:27) Interconnected Issues

• The interconnected nature of various social justice issues

• The importance of addressing these issues collectively

• The role of music and activism in highlighting these connections.

(52:19) Political Theater

• The manipulation of public opinion by the ultra-wealthy ruling class

• The need for unity among the oppressed.

• The impact of political theater on societal divisions

(57:52) Blonde Hair and Blue Eyes: Jesus and Race

• The significance of recognizing Jesus' true background

• The implications of Jesus' ethnicity for modern Christianity

• The importance of challenging racial stereotypes in religious contexts.

(1:00:13) Encouragement and Support

• Jordan shares the overwhelming support he has received for his music

• The importance of continuing to speak out on important issues

• Reflections on the impact of his song "Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

(1:03:21) Final Thoughts

• Craig encourages Jordan to keep leaning into his message

• The importance of making a difference through music and activism

• Reflections on the need for boldness and authenticity in advocacy.

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113. From Mormon LDS to Freedom in Christ: Unveiling Lies in Medicine, Government, and Religion

About this Episode

In this episode of the Bad Roman podcast, host Craig Harguess speaks with Claire Dalton, the host of the Clarity podcast. Claire shares her journey of leaving the LDS Church, her battle with chronic Lyme disease, and her views on the influence of government and institutional corruption. This episode explores faith, freedom, and the pursuit of truth, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of these issues.

Claire begins by discussing her background, including her upbringing in Utah within the mainstream LDS Church. She delves into the cultural and religious environment she grew up in and the factors that led her to question and eventually leave the LDS Church. Claire also shares her professional experiences as a farmer, nonprofit president, and sales representative, explaining how these roles have shaped her perspectives and contributed to her current projects.

A significant portion of the conversation addresses common misconceptions about Mormonism, particularly the belief that polygamy is a central tenet of the faith. Claire provides historical context and evidence to challenge these mainstream LDS teachings, arguing that the original teachings of Joseph Smith did not endorse polygamy. She also highlights the experiences of those who leave the LDS Church to follow Christ, differentiating them from those who leave religion entirely, and discusses the importance of creating platforms to share their stories.

Claire's personal and family struggles with chronic Lyme disease are another focal point of the episode. She details the symptoms, misdiagnoses, and the long journey to finding the correct diagnosis for both herself and her mother. The conversation delves into the controversial origins of Lyme disease, including theories about government involvement and bioweapon experiments. Claire discusses the historical context, such as Operation Paperclip and the release of weaponized ticks, and criticizes the medical system for its inability to properly diagnose and treat chronic illnesses like Lyme disease. She shares her journey of seeking alternative treatments and emphasizes the importance of partnering with God for healing.

The episode also explores the influence of government and institutional corruption. Claire argues that government control has infiltrated numerous sectors, including the food industry, education, the medical system, and even religious institutions. She provides examples of how this corruption manifests and its effects on society. Claire argues that statism is inherently satanic, highlighting how government control contradicts Christian teachings and discussing the importance of recognizing and resisting this influence to live a life aligned with Christ's teachings.

Faith and freedom are central themes throughout the episode. Claire and Craig emphasize the significance of the message "No King but Christ" in contemporary Christianity, discussing how this principle guides their lives and the importance of prioritizing Christ over state and institutional allegiances. Claire shares her vision for creating authentic Christian communities that are not bound by traditional church structures, advocating for home churches and genuine fellowship centered around Christ's teachings.

Listeners will gain insights into the personal and spiritual challenges faced by those who leave the LDS Church and seek to follow Christ. They will learn about the controversial origins of Lyme disease, the failures of the medical system, and the importance of seeking alternative treatments. The episode also provides an understanding of the influence of government in various aspects of life and its implications for personal freedom and societal well-being. Finally, listeners will discover the importance of prioritizing Christ over state and institutional allegiances and the value of building authentic Christian communities.

This episode explores the intersections of faith, health, and societal structures, providing listeners with insights and encouraging them to question and explore their own beliefs and experiences. Claire's storytelling, combined with Craig's questions, makes this a valuable listen for anyone interested in the complexities of faith, freedom, and truth.

Connect with Claire Dalton:

• The Clarity Podcast on YouTube

• Claire Dalton's website

• Follow Claire on social media: Facebook @forgedinhisfire and Instagram @forgedinhisfire

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

1:04 Guest Introduction

• Claire Dalton shares her background: raised in Utah, former LDS member, farmer, nonprofit president, and sales representative.

• Claire's journey from mainstream LDS to her current faith and projects.

2:22 Entanglement of Churches with the State

• Discussion on how the events of 2020 revealed the deep entanglement of many churches with the state.

• Claire's observations on the disillusionment of many Christians with their churches during this period.

1:41 Claire's Personal Journey

• Claire's story of leaving the LDS church and starting her podcast.

• The importance of sharing stories of those who leave the LDS church to follow Christ.

5:28 Misconceptions about Mormonism 

• Claire addresses common misconceptions about Mormonism, including the belief that Joseph Smith practiced polygamy.

• Historical evidence and personal beliefs that challenge mainstream LDS teachings on polygamy.

26:35 The Impact of Chronic Illness

• Claire's personal and family experiences with chronic Lyme disease.

• The political and controversial history of Lyme disease, including its origins and the government's role.

30:18 Critique of the Medical System

• Discussion on the failures of the medical system to address chronic illnesses effectively.

• The role of vaccines and other medical interventions in exacerbating health issues.

53:04 Statism and Its Influence

• Claire and Craig discuss the pervasive influence of statism in various aspects of life, including food, education, and healthcare.

• The idea that statism is inherently satanic and contrary to Christian teachings.

59:20 Closing Remarks

• Seek the truth and question the systems they are part of

• The importance of community and supporting those who are chronically ill or marginalized.

• Craig and Claire reflect on the importance of living out Christian values authentically

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112. Inflation, Tariffs, & the Faith-Filled Path to True Independence with Mike (Michael) Maharrey

About this Episode

In this episode of the Bad Roman podcast, host Craig Harguess is joined once again by Mike Maharrey for a deep dive into the world of Christianity, government, and economics. If you’ve ever wondered how inflation and taxation really affect your daily life, this episode is for you.

Mike kicks things off by breaking down the history of monetary policy, starting from the Great Recession of 2008 all the way to today. He explains how the Federal Reserve’s actions, like printing money and keeping interest rates super low, have led to some serious economic issues. And here’s the kicker: both major political parties are on board with these practices. So, whether you’re Team Red or Team Blue, the underlying economic policies are pretty much the same.

Craig and Mike also tackle the topic of tariffs, especially those that were a big deal during the Trump years. Mike makes it clear that tariffs are basically a tax on us, the consumers. So, while they might sound like a good way to penalize foreign producers, they end up hitting our wallets the hardest. This leads to a broader chat about the real cost of government policies and why it’s so important for us to understand what’s going on.

But it’s not all about economics. The episode also dives into the idea of resisting unconstitutional laws. Mike argues that saying “no” to unjust laws is a powerful form of resistance. He points out that Christians, in particular, have a moral duty to stand up against laws that go against their faith and the teachings of Jesus.

As this is the Fourth of July, Craig and Mike take time to reflect on what independence really means. Spoiler alert: it’s not just about fireworks and barbecues. True independence, they argue, is about having the courage to stand up for your beliefs and question the status quo. They encourage listeners to get educated about economic and political issues and to take action to protect their freedoms.

This episode of the Bad Roman podcast is a mix of history, economics, and a good dose of moral questioning. It’s informative, thoughtprovoking, and will definitely make you rethink some of your views on government and faith. So, grab your headphones and get ready for a conversation that will add a little more spark to your sparklers.

Connect with Mike Maharrey:

• Money Metals Podcast

• Personal website and Godarchy podcast

• 10th Amendment Center

Episode Timestamps:

00:01:06: Welcoming Back Mike Maharrey

• Mike Maharrey's Background

• Journey as a Christian and anarchist

• Involvement with the 10th Amendment Center and focus on decentralization.

• Work in sound money and precious metals.

00:06:20: Independence Day and Election Year

• Frustration with repetitive political cycles.

00:08:17: Monetary Policy and Inflation

• Federal Reserve's role in creating money and its impact on inflation.

• Historical context: Monetary policy during the Great Recession and COVID19.

• Analysis of how monetary policy benefits those in power, regardless of political affiliation.

00:13:09: Economic Misconceptions

•  Common misunderstandings about the causes of inflation.

•  Federal Reserve's influence on economic cycles and price inflation.

•  Political blame games and the reality of economic policies' longterm effects.

00:19:46: Historical Context of Monetary Policy

•  PostGreat Recession monetary policy and its longterm consequences.

•  Quantitative easing: Definition and impact on the economy.

•  Effects of maintaining low interest rates for an extended period.

00:23:50: Tariffs and Their Impact

• Tariffs as a form of taxation on consumers, not foreign producers.

• Economic impact: Increased prices for imported goods.

• Comparison of Trump and Biden's tariff policies and their effects on the economy.

00:31:58: Gun Control Policies

• Analysis of Trump's and Obama's records on gun control.

• Specific policies: Trump's bump stock ban and its implications.

• Misconceptions about political stances on gun rights and their realworld effects.

00:35:28: The 10th Amendment and State vs. Federal Law

• Example: Tennessee's law against mandatory vaccines vs. federal executive orders.

• Importance of state sovereignty and the practical application of the 10th Amendment.

• Discussion on the balance of power between state and federal governments.

00:39:34: Resistance to Government Overreach

• Historical examples of successful resistance to government overreach.

• Role of public noncompliance in maintaining liberty.

• Importance of individual action and civil disobedience in checking government power.

00:46:17: COVID-19 and Church Shutdowns

• Churches' varied responses to government mandates during the pandemic.

• Early church's stance on state authority and civil disobedience.

• Biblical reference: Acts 5 and the principle of obeying God rather than man.

00:50:14: Immigration and Christian Perspective

• Moral implications of current immigration laws and policies.

• Personal experiences working alongside immigrants and their struggles.

• Christian duty to love and support neighbors, regardless of legal status.

00:55:52: Independence Day Reflections

• Comparison of American independence to other countries like Canada.

• Critique of the true extent of American freedom and independence.

• Argument that true independence is found in faith and the kingdom of Christ, not in political systems.

01:01:11: Mike Maharrey's Projects and Resources

• Money Metals Podcast: Articles and podcasts focusing on sound money and economic policies.

• 10th Amendment Center: Efforts to promote decentralization and state sovereignty.

• Personal website and Godarchy podcast: Resources on Christian anarchism and voluntaryism.

01:04:42: Supporting the Bad Roman Project

• Donate!

• Bad Roman salsa Facebook: A unique fundraising effort with homemade salsa.

• Importance of community support to sustain the podcast and its mission.

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