114. Who Would Jesus Bomb? Questioning War Through Song with Jordan Smart

About this Episode

Musician Jordan Smart shares his journey from growing up in a religious household in Ohio to becoming a touring musician. He discusses his early disillusionment with the church, his deep connection to music, and how punk rock influenced his worldview. The conversation centers around Jordan's song "Who Would Jesus Bomb?", which caught Craig's attention and led to this discussion. Jordan explains that while he isn't vocally anti-war, his frustrations with how religious traditions can be manipulated for propaganda inspired him to write the song.

Jordan reflects, "I was raised to believe Jesus loves everyone, but seeing how that message gets twisted to justify violence really pushed me to write this song." The episode delves into the troubling support for war among Christians, the manipulation by governments, and the importance of compassion and humanity. Jordan also highlights his project, Songs Not Bombs, which raises funds for Palestinian children.

Craig and Jordan discuss poignant lines from the song, such as, "Would Jesus bomb the atheist, the Muslim, or the Jew?" and "Would you still believe in Jesus if you found out he was brown?" These lines challenge listeners to reconsider their views on war, politics, and faith. This episode is a thought-provoking listen for anyone interested in these critical issues.

Connect with Jordan Smart:

• Jordan Smart Music on Instagram

• Songs Not Bombs on Bandcamp - All Proceeds Go to Palestine

• Songs Not Bombs on Instagram

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

(00:45) Jordan's Background

• Jordan shares his upbringing in Ohio and his religious family background

• His journey with music, starting from a young age

• Background with Christianity and anarchy

(02:00) Music as a Form of Protest

• Discussion on Jordan's project "Songs Not Bombs"

• Efforts to raise funds for the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund (PCRF)

• The impact of music in processing and responding to world events

• Anti-War Sentiments

• Jordan's long-standing anti-war beliefs were influenced by punk rock

• Reflections on the current state of global conflicts

(7:27) The Power of Music

• Craig and Jordan discuss the emotional impact of music

• Music as a medium to express complex feelings and ideas

• The ability of music to resonate with diverse audiences

(9:40) Christianity and War

• The troubling support for the war among some Christians

• The disconnect between Jesus' teachings and modern Christian behavior

• Reflections on the pro-war stance of certain Christian groups

(11:59) Generational Perspectives

• The younger generation's growing disillusionment with the current system

• The potential for the younger generation to drive change

• The impact of social media and 24-hour news cycles on youth

• Political Disillusionment

• Failures of both major political parties in the U.S.

• The need for a new approach to governance and societal issues

• Personal experiences with political disillusionment

(16:45) Personal and Political Pushback to Jordan’s Song “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”

• Jordan shares experiences with pushback from friends and family

• The challenges of speaking out on controversial issues

• The importance of staying true to one's beliefs.

(20:51) Echo Chambers and Authenticity

• The importance of breaking out of echo chambers

• Staying authentic and true to one's message

• The impact of authenticity on audience engagement

(24:26) The Role of the Military

• Discussion on military recruitment and its implications

• The true threats to freedom and liberty

• Reflections on the U.S. military's global impact

(30:43) Compassion and Humanity

• Emphasizing the need for compassion towards all people

• The interconnected nature of various social justice issues

• The role of compassion in creating a better world.

34:59 Challenging Beliefs

• Jordan's song as a tool to challenge deeply held beliefs

• The importance of questioning and re-evaluating one's views

• The impact of music in provoking thought and discussion

(39:40) Personal Journeys

• Craig shares his journey from neoconservatism to Christian anarchism

• The influence of early church writings on his views

• The role of personal experiences in shaping beliefs

(43:17) The Influence of Social Media

• The role of social media in shaping public opinion

• The dangers of misinformation and propaganda

• The impact of social media on political and social views

(47:27) Interconnected Issues

• The interconnected nature of various social justice issues

• The importance of addressing these issues collectively

• The role of music and activism in highlighting these connections.

(52:19) Political Theater

• The manipulation of public opinion by the ultra-wealthy ruling class

• The need for unity among the oppressed.

• The impact of political theater on societal divisions

(57:52) Blonde Hair and Blue Eyes: Jesus and Race

• The significance of recognizing Jesus' true background

• The implications of Jesus' ethnicity for modern Christianity

• The importance of challenging racial stereotypes in religious contexts.

(1:00:13) Encouragement and Support

• Jordan shares the overwhelming support he has received for his music

• The importance of continuing to speak out on important issues

• Reflections on the impact of his song "Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

(1:03:21) Final Thoughts

• Craig encourages Jordan to keep leaning into his message

• The importance of making a difference through music and activism

• Reflections on the need for boldness and authenticity in advocacy.

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111. God vs MAGA: The Dangers of Mixing Christianity with American Nationalism

About this Episode

What happens when political figures are compared to religious icons? Join us on the Bad Roman Podcast as we explore this provocative question with our special guest, singer-songwriter Josh Nichols. In this episode, we dive into the unsettling comparisons between Donald Trump and Jesus, especially during election season on social media.

Comparing Donald Trump to Jesus is not just misguided—it's deeply problematic. Through his powerful song "God vs MAGA," Josh challenges the troubling idolatry of political figures and sheds light on the toxic rhetoric that equates Trump with Christ. We'll explore how these false comparisons harm our faith and divert our focus from the true essence of Jesus' teachings.

American nationalism has often cloaked itself in the guise of Christianity, but what does this mean for our spiritual integrity? We dissect the disturbing tendency to merge faith with national pride, examining how this threatens to turn patriotism into idolatry. Josh, through his song "God vs MAGA," unpacks the manipulation of religious beliefs by political entities and how such actions lead to a misguided faith in political leaders. Together, we scrutinize the parallels between Trump's portrayal and the biblical figure Barabbas, emphasizing the crucial need to discern truth amidst the political noise.

We highlight the conflict between personal rights and biblical principles of humility and selflessness by unpacking the theological implications and contrasting earthly citizenship with eternal values. Josh’s poignant lyrics, including the line "God doesn't want to make America great again," serve as a stark reminder that our allegiance should be to God's kingdom, not a nation.

Critical thinking and independent thought are crucial in navigating the noise of corporate media and political propaganda. We discuss the liberating power of relinquishing control to faith and how critical thinking fosters confident, independent opinions. From addressing the idolatry of political beliefs to critiquing the hypocrisy within pro-life stances, this episode is a call to elevate our faith above nationalism and strive for a greatness rooted in God's infinite and unconditional love, not a nation-state’s past.

We wrap up with personal reflections and broader societal critiques, highlighting the tension between national identity and spiritual integrity. Join us for this eye-opening dialogue that underscores the ultimate greatness found in God's kingdom and His unconditional love.

Connect with Josh Nichols:

• Tik Tok

• Spotify

• Apple Music

• Personal Instagram 

• Josh's Band - More Than This Instagram

• Tidal

• YouTube

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

(00:00:02) God vs MAGA

• Comparison of Donald Trump to Jesus and its implications

• Insights from Josh Nichols on political manipulation

• Analysis of Trump's portrayal and parallels with Barabbas

• Discussion on Josh's song "God vs MAGA"

(00:09:37) Jesus, Nationalism, and Idolatry

• Examination of the blending of Christianity and American nationalism

• Discussion on the theological implications of national pride

• Insights into the idolatry of associating Jesus with American symbols

• Analysis of the contrast between earthly citizenship and the kingdom of God

(00:22:52) Navigating Critical Thinking in Society

• Importance of critical thinking and relinquishing control to faith

• Impact of corporate media on public opinion

• Advocacy for independent sources over divisive media channels

• How critical thinking fosters confidence in beliefs without alienating others

(00:32:38) America and Christianity

• The intersection of faith and patriotism and potential conflicts

• Discussion on political beliefs as modern idols

• Reference to the song "Clear the Stage" and the dangers of elevating anything above God

• Addressing hyperpolitical theology and the importance of understanding

(00:42:49) American Hypocrisy and Eternal Greatness

• Tension between American freedom and spiritual constraints

• Church responses to government mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic

• Bad Roman Episodes on Covid

• Examination of political actions versus genuine Christian values

• Discussion on hypocrisy within pro-life stances and national identity versus spiritual integrity

(00:51:42) Greatness in God and Music

• True greatness in God's kingdom versus making America great again

• Role of music in glorifying God and addressing faith issues

• Josh's passion for creating a community discussing faith, church hurt, and belief

• Emphasis on respectful dialogue within diverse Christian beliefs

(01:02:15) Faith in Modern Society

• Challenges of maintaining faith in a rapidly changing world

• Influence of social media on religious beliefs and practices

• The role of the church in addressing contemporary social issues

• Strategies for fostering a supportive faith community

(01:12:03) Balancing Faith and Personal Beliefs

• Personal stories of reconciling faith with modern values

• The impact of personal experiences on religious views

• Navigating disagreements within the church community

• Encouragement for open-mindedness and growth in faith

(01:22:48) Future of Christianity in America

• Predictions on the evolution of Christianity in a diverse society

• The potential for interfaith dialogue and cooperation

• The role of young people in shaping the future of the church

• Final thoughts on hope and perseverance in faith

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29. Bringing Jesus to the Secular World - Meeting the Youth Where They Are with Luke Greenwood

For many people around the globe today, religion is viewed as a dead tradition of the past with no current relevance. How is it possible to bring Jesus to those who have a distaste for organized religion and Christian values? Craig talks with Luke Greenwood of Steiger International about how Steiger approaches their target mission field. Steiger focuses on sharing the good news of Jesus in a manner that crosses secular cultural boundaries and preconceived prejudices. They have teams in major cities all around the globe, engaging and building relationships as they immerse themselves with the youth of the world. 

They present the gospel in a relevant, yet bold, manner that works to break through the apathetic demeanor of the culture and bring the living God to life for them. 

TIMESTAMPS AND STARTING POINTS:

4:20 Luke’s background 

• born in UK to missionaries

• grew up in Brazil as a missionary kid

• call from God to go on missions

• call to cross secular cultural boundaries

• now serves in world wide missions

• uses music as a tool to share the gospel

11:18 Experience at Polish Woodstock 

• secular youth culture views religion as a dead tradition of the past 

• there is a distaste towards Christian values 

• “illegal” concert 

• invited back the next year to perform on the Hare Krishna’s main stage 

25:00 More about Steiger International 

• Steiger’s primary purpose: bridge the gap between the church and the global youth community 

• Steiger teams in major cities around the world 

• proclaiming the gospel in the secular culture 

• discipleship 

29:30  How to get involved 

• Steiger.org

• social media: Facebook, YouTube, Instagram 

33:30 Provoke and Inspire Podcast 

• Ben Pierce, son of founders 

• Chad Johnson, formerly from Tooth and Nail 

• David Pierce, founder 

• Luke Greenwood, Steiger International 

• What does it look like to be a follower of Jesus in secular society 

36:40 Luke’s Book

• Global Youth Culture: the Spiritual Hunger of the Largest Unreached Culture Today

• find it on Amazon

• What is the world’s view today? 

• secular humanism 

• how can we bring the good news of Jesus into that scene?

Luke’s Plugs: Steiger.org, his book, the podcast

Get involved in a city near you! 

28. The American Church’s Political Obsession with Scott Arnold

Many Christians in the United States are outspoken about their desires for Christian men and women to obtain political power and influence. The stance is that religious freedoms need to be protected, but is forcing morality on the people through legislation an effective way to spread the gospel?  Could Christians be doing more harm than good in their efforts?

Scott Arnold is the author of the article Winning the Battle, But Losing the War: The American Church’s Political Obsession.  In this episode, Craig talks with Scott about his transition from a world of conservative, Christian, and redline Republican upbringing into one of Christain Anarchy. They explore how the gospel message can be destroyed or damaged by using politics to force a Christian agenda. Scott also explains his involvement with Steiger International, whose mission is to impact the global youth culture and make the gospel relevant. This is a thought-provoking episode for any Christian who has been of the mindset that Christians need to use politics to further their agenda or force their morality on others. 

Timestamps and starting points:

1:27 Scott’s Background

• Grew up in the conservative Christian republican culture 

• majored in pastoral ministries 

• currently lives in northeast Georgia 

4:04 How Scott found The Bad Roman

• George Floyd and defund the police sparked interest in politics 

• began to research anarchy 

• found The Bad Roman through Christian podcast search 

8:04 Learning about anarchy 

• David Pierce, founder of Steiger International 

• Steiger started in Amsterdam and focused on the anarcho punk scene

• Polish Woodstock

11:35 Discussing Scott’s article: Winning the Battle, but Losing the War: The American Church’s Political Obsession

• Christians equate increased political power with increased influence

• When bringing the gospel into the political realm pieces are lost 

• Abortion and the messy art of law making

• using politics to force Christian values on others

• using the government to control morals 

• outsource morality to the state

• the state is not, and cannot be, Christian

• Myth of Christain Nation

26:25 What is the endgame in winning this war?

• Best case: Christian religious freedom and comfortability 

• worst case: suppression of all other philosophies 

• is it really religious freedom Christians are fighting for?

• prayer in school 

43:05 Polish Woodstock

• The largest outdoor music festival in Europe 

• Steiger’s outreach 

• Bands: Unrest and No Longer Music

Scott’s Plugs:

• Steiger.org 

• Unrest

• No Longer Music

• Provoke and Inspire podcast

• Scott’s Blog

• Scott’s Article on The Bad Roman Blog