123. Democracy vs. Monarchy: Are We Truly Free? with Jeb Smith

About this Episode

What if everything you thought about democracy was wrong? In our latest episode, Jeb Smith, author of "Missing Monarchy,"challenges the conventional wisdom on governance, exploring the surprising benefits of medieval kingship over modern democracy. Are we truly freer today, or have we misunderstood the past?

In our conversation, we explore:

The Misconceptions of Democracy: Jeb argues that democracy may not be the beacon of freedom we believe it to be. Discover why he believes medieval societies offered more liberty than our current systems.

The Role of Kingship: Far from being tyrannical, medieval kingship was decentralized and voluntary, offering a unique form of governance that respected individual choice.

The Power of No King but Christ: How the teachings of Christ can guide us away from political entanglements and towards a more authentic Christian life.

Jeb Smith takes us through history, sharing how his transition from atheism to Christianity and his study of pre-14th-century European history reshaped his understanding of governance and liberty. He states, "In the Middle Ages…there's not a king passing laws. The laws are derived from the people organically in their customs that lasted over hundreds of years." This perspective invites listeners to reconsider the centralized power of modern democracy and its impact on individual freedom.

The conversation turns to the Christian principle of "No King but Christ," urging believers to prioritize divine authority over earthly institutions. Jeb and Craig explore how this idea can guide Christians in navigating the complexities of government, emphasizing that no human institution should dictate one's life if it contradicts Christ's teachings.

Jeb also critiques the modern education system, describing it as a tool for creating compliant citizens rather than fostering independent thinkers. He warns, "If people have no solid foundation and no roots running deep in the soil, they can be easily swept off by the current agenda of the day." This analysis encourages listeners to examine the influences shaping their beliefs and actions.

As the discussion unfolds, Jeb challenges the effectiveness of libertarianism within the current political framework, quoting Lysander Spooner: "Under democracy, a man finds himself inspired by a government that he cannot resist, a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights under peril and weighty punishment." This critique invites listeners to question whether true liberty can be achieved through existing political structures.

Tune in on your favorite podcast player as Jeb unpacks these provocative ideas and shares insights from his book, "Missing: What Americans Get Wrong about Monarchy, Democracy, Feudalism, and Liberty." The dialogue not only questions the status quo but also offers a perspective on the intersection of faith, governance, and education. This episode is sure to pique your curiosity and inspire you to reflect on the principles that should guide our Christian lives.

Connect with Jeb Smith:

• Amazon Author Page

• Fanmail and Hate male via email: jackson18611096@gmail.com

Episode Timestamps:

(1:08) Jeb's Background

• Jeb shares his upbringing in Vermont within a Christian family

• his initial rejection of faith due to unanswered questions

• His journey through atheism, influenced by secular education, eventually led him back to Christianity through apologetics and creationist literature.

• Jeb describes his political journey from a conservative American Christian to a libertarian,

(5:18) Influence of Tolkien and Historical Insights

• Jeb's admiration for J.R.R. Tolkien's works, which incorporate anarchist and libertarian themes, inspired him to explore Anglo-Saxon history. 

• His research revealed a libertarian and anarchist form of governance in pre-conquest England, challenging modern perceptions of monarchy.

(8:12) Identity and Labels

• Craig and Jeb discuss the complexity of political and religious labels

• importance of individual thought and the limitations of labels in capturing the nuances of personal beliefs

(9:25) Christianity and Politics

• critiques the conflation of Christianity with political figures like Trump

• dangers of aligning faith with political agendas

• importance of separating religious beliefs from political identities to maintain the integrity of Christian teachings

(11:01) The Dangers of Political Allegiance

• How political allegiance can distort Christian values

• need for Christians to prioritize their faith over political affiliations to avoid being swayed by partisan agendas

• universal appeal of Jesus' teachings, which transcend religious boundaries and resonate with people of various beliefs.

(14:24) Western Christianity's Challenges

• divergence between Western and Eastern Christianity

• influence of cultural and political factors on the practice of Christianity in the West

(15:46) Breaking Free from Political Labels

• liberation found in stepping away from political affiliations

• importance of independent thought and the benefits of viewing issues from multiple perspectives.

(19:06) The Power of Discourse

• value of honest conversations beyond political divides is highlighted

• role of media in shaping public opinion and the need for critical engagement with information sources are discussed.

• tracing the influence of media and propaganda back to the 14th century and its impact on public perception.

(22:01) Voluntarism and Anarchism

• The nuances between voluntarism and anarchism

• appeal of decentralized governance as seen in medieval times

(25:11) Medieval Governance and Libertarianism

• Jeb delves into the libertarian aspects of medieval kingship

• decentralized power and laws were derived from longstanding customs

• voluntary nature of medieval societies is contrasted with modern centralized governments, offering insights into historical governance models.

(30:36) The Role of Kings in Medieval Society

• The limited power of medieval kings is examined, challenging modern perceptions of monarchy as inherently oppressive. 

• The king's role as a protector and upholder of law, rather than a ruler, is discussed, highlighting the community-driven nature of medieval governance.

(35:13) Decentralization and Self-Government

• benefits of decentralized governance

(39:45) Abortion and Government Involvement

• The role of government in moral issues like abortion 

• importance of cultural and educational influences over legislation. 

• Jeb and Craig advocate for a society where moral decisions are guided by personal beliefs and community values rather than government mandates.

(43:24) Rebellion Against Tyranny

• The medieval perspective on resisting tyrannical rulers

• importance of prioritizing divine law over human authority

• power of collective disobedience in challenging unjust laws and the role of faith in guiding moral actions

(45:51) Education and Indoctrination

• The critique of modern education systems as tools for conformity

• emphasis on the need for independent judgment and critical thinking 

• The role of education in shaping societal values and obedience

(54:18) Democracy and Totalitarianism

• The inherent progression of democracies towards totalitarianism 

• limitations of conservative and libertarian values within a democratic system

• challenges of maintaining individual freedoms and resisting the centralization of power are 

(59:09) Libertarianism and Political Realities

• limitations of libertarianism within the current political framework 

• need for decentralization to truly achieve libertarian ideals

• importance of allowing diverse communities to coexist, each with its own set of values and governance structures

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122. Building Communities: From Imagination to Implementation with Joseph Macolino

About this Episode

What if the key to a harmonious society lies in the ancient practices of early Christians? In this captivating episode, Joseph Macolino returns to unravel his vision of voluntary Christian communities, inspired by the communal living described in the Book of Acts. Picture a world where cooperation replaces coercion, and rulers are a thing of the past. Joseph paints a vivid picture: "Imagine a society where bartering goods and services is the norm, and conflicts are resolved through conversation, not force."

We journey into the realm of fantasy with Joseph's book series set in Everath, where Marfta Port exemplifies a voluntary community. This fictional world serves as a powerful allegory for how Christians might live peacefully today. Joseph shares, "Through Marfta Port, I wanted to show that a different way of living is possible—one where faith and community go hand in hand."

The discussion deepens as Craig and Joseph tackle the nuances of Christian pacifism. They explore the idea that pacifism doesn't equate to passivity. This thought-provoking dialogue challenges listeners to reconsider their views on self-defense and retaliation.

But what about the inevitable challenges of community living? Joseph candidly addresses potential pitfalls, such as dealing with bad actors, emphasizing, "Open communication and shared values are crucial to overcoming these hurdles."

This episode is a compelling invitation to rethink societal norms and explore the transformative power of faith-based communities. Are you ready to question the status quo and envision a new way of living? Tune in and let your curiosity lead the way.

Connect with Joseph Macolino:

• Evorath.com

• The Shadows of Erathal (The Legends of Evorath Book 1)

• All The Books

• joseph@evorath.com

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Guest Introduction

• Joseph Michelito returns to discuss his new book series, "Legends of Everett."

• The series explores themes of a voluntary society, drawing parallels to the Christian community ideals depicted in the Book of Acts.

• Joseph's work uses fiction to convey messages about living in a society without rulers, emphasizing "no king but Christ."

(1:09) Salsa and Conversations

• Craig shares how his salsa business has become a conversation starter about the Bad Roman Project.

• The salsa venture provides opportunities to engage with Christians and non-Christians alike, discussing the project's message and the concept of living without state interference.

(2:58) Personal Updates

• Joseph provides updates on his family life, particularly focusing on raising his toddler.

• He shares insights into his son's development, including his growing interest in music, with bands like System of a Down and Pink Floyd being favorites.

(5:11) Community Building Vision

• Joseph outlines his vision for a community based on voluntary cooperation and shared resources, inspired by early Christian communities.

• importance of like-minded individuals working together without coercion, fostering a supportive and self-sufficient environment.

(6:23) Community Structure

• Description of a community where individuals contribute based on their skills and interests, creating a diverse and functional society.

• The model includes private property and voluntary collaboration, allowing for personal freedom and collective benefit.

(8:25) Overcoming Misconceptions

• Addressing common misconceptions about community living, Joseph clarifies that it's not about communism or cult-like behavior.

• He highlights the early church's communal living as a historical model for voluntary cooperation and mutual support.

(10:25) Bartering and Self-Sufficiency

• benefits of bartering at farmers' markets and the potential for a self-sufficient community.

• reducing reliance on money by meeting needs within the community through trade and shared resources.

(12:09) Financial Considerations

• Joseph explains how maintaining a job can support community living, providing financial stability while contributing to the community.

• Critique of consumer culture, advocating for frugality and self-sufficiency to achieve a more fulfilling life.

(14:12) Community Impact and Outreach

• Vision for a community that teaches self-sufficiency and shares resources with those in need, promoting a culture of generosity and support.

• Potential for agro-tourism and educational outreach, inviting others to learn about sustainable living practices.

(16:35) Balancing Work and Community Life

• balancing traditional employment with community contributions, highlighting the flexibility of voluntary living

• Possibility of transitioning away from traditional employment as the community becomes more self-sufficient.

(20:32) Location Challenges

• Challenges of choosing a central location for the community, considering factors like climate and proximity to family.

• Joseph shares personal considerations, including family ties in Florida, and the importance of a long growing season for self-sufficiency.

(23:59) Core Christian Role

• Exploration of the Christian responsibility to spread the gospel, emphasizing living the gospel through actions.

• Joseph stresses the importance of embodying Christian principles in daily life as a foundation for community building.

(25:25) Inclusivity in Community

• Discussion on the inclusion of non-Christians in the community, focusing on shared values and principles rather than religious labels.

• living according to Christian principles of love, peace, and cooperation

(30:39) Living the Gospel

• Importance of living one's faith through actions, critiquing the disconnect between professed beliefs and actions among some Christians.

• Encouragement for Christians to align their lives with the teachings of Christ, particularly in the context of community living.

(44:46) Marfteport: A Fictional Community

• Introduction of Marfteport, a fictional voluntarist community in Joseph's book series, serving as a model for voluntary cooperation and mutual respect.

• The community is depicted as a diverse society where different species coexist peacefully, highlighting the potential for harmony in diversity.

(51:27) Handling Community Conflicts

• Strategies for addressing conflicts within a voluntary community, emphasizing communication and understanding as first steps.

• importance of a shared code of conduct and the role of community support in resolving issues

• Jeff Perry Episodes

• Policing Without the State: Rethinking Law Enforcement with Jeff Perry

• Christian Ethics and Stateless Societies: The Anarchist Approach of the Perry Family

• "Chaos Theory" by Robert Murphy, a book exploring the feasibility of voluntary societies and addressing common concerns.

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121. Israel of the Bible vs Today's Nation State Waging Genocide in Gaza and How to Get Back to Jesus with Grace Batchoun

About this Episode

Is the world turning a blind eye to the plight of Palestinians? Grace Batchoun, a Christian and Co-founder of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, joins Craig for a deeply personal conversation about the ongoing Occupation of the Palestinian people and genocide in Gaza. Grace shares her journey as a Palestinian Christian and highlights the dire situation in Gaza, challenging the narrative of Israel's self-defense. 

Grace and Craig emphasize the need for Christians to align with the teachings of Jesus by advocating for peace and justice over death and destruction. Grace deconstructs the ongoing expansion of settlements, which defy international law and United Nations resolutions. How does this impact the lives of those in the region? The conversation unpacks the complexities of everyday life brought on by the Israeli Occupation of Palestinians, urging listeners to reconsider their perspectives and recognize the humanity of Palestinians. 

The current humanitarian crisis and genocide in Gaza is another focal point. The severe conditions caused by Israeli blockades and refusal to work toward a ceasefire agreement—continuing the unending starvation, destroyed infrastructure, and families in distress. What does this mean for the people living there, and how can the international community respond?

Craig and Grace also examine the role of evangelical Christian support for Israel. Does this stance align with the teachings of Jesus on peace and justice, or does it contradict them? Through personal stories and historical context, this episode offers a Palestinian perspective on displacement and life under occupation.

Finally, the discussion sheds light on the broader implications of Israel's actions on international law and human rights. How do these actions measure up against the conventions established after World War II? Listen to this episode of the Bad Roman Podcast and join the conversation online as we navigate these challenging topics, encouraging listeners to reflect on justice, peace, and the power of global solidarity.

Learn More about Palestine:

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Addressing the Gaza Crisis

• Craig expresses concern over the escalating situation in Gaza

• mainstream narrative that frames Israel as merely defending itself against terrorism.

(2:07) Grace Batchoun’s Background

• Grace shares her family's history as Palestinian refugees and her journey to Canada.

• Her parents were expelled from Palestine in 1948, leading to a life of displacement and eventual settlement in Canada.

• Grace discusses her Christian faith, which she embraced through InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and her active role in church ministries.

(4:09) Awakening to Activism

• Grace recounts a pivotal moment in 2002 that shifted her focus from personal life to activism, following a tragic incident in Jenin.

• The story of Jamal Fayid a paraplegic man crushed by an Israeli tank sparked her involvement in humanitarian efforts.

• This incident led to her collaboration with World Vision and the founding of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East.

(6:41) Humanitarian vs. Occupation Crisis

• Grace emphasizes the need to address the root cause of the conflict: the occupation.

• She argues that the issue is not merely humanitarian but deeply political, rooted in military oppression and land colonization.

• The ongoing occupation perpetuates suffering and prevents any lasting peace or resolution.

(9:07) Misinterpretations Among Christians

• Common misinterpretation among Christians regarding Israel as a nation state versus a biblical concept.

• Grace and Craig stress the importance of understanding the biblical context, where Israel is seen as a spiritual entity rather than a modern nation state.

• Confusion among Christians who equate biblical Israel with the current political state.

(12:12) The Reality of Gaza

• Grace provides stark statistics on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, including the destruction of infrastructure and the high number of casualties, particularly among women and children.

• Gaza as one of the most densely populated areas, suffering from severe shortages of basic necessities.

• The blockade and military actions have led to a dire humanitarian situation, with widespread destruction and loss of life.

(16:30) Genocide or Defense?

• The actions of Israel meet the definition of genocide.

• international legal definitions of genocide and how they apply to the current situation.

• Challenges the narrative that frames Israel's actions as self-defense, highlighting the disproportionate impact on civilians.

(19:01) Personal Stories and Historical Context

• Grace shares her family's displacement and the broader historical context of Palestinian expulsion and land loss.

• She recounts her family's experiences of being expelled from their home and the ongoing struggle for recognition and rights.

• The historical context of the 1948 Nakba and subsequent conflicts is discussed to provide a deeper understanding of the current situation.

(25:56) The Ongoing Occupation

• Grace details the continued expansion of Israeli settlements and the impact on Palestinian lives, drawing parallels to historical injustices.

• systematic displacement of Palestinians and the appropriation of their land for settlements.

• legal and ethical implications of the occupation and the international community's response.

(33:07) Misconceptions About Hamas

• Both speakers clarify that their stance is not in support of Hamas but rather in defense of human rights and international law.

• a common misconception that criticism of Israel equates to support for Hamas.

• The focus is on advocating for the rights and dignity of all people, regardless of political affiliations.

(36:09) International Response and U.S. Influence

• Grace discusses the global response to the conflict and the significant role of U.S. support for Israel, which she argues hinders peace efforts.

• The influence of U.S. foreign policy and military aid in perpetuating the conflict is examined.

• Grace calls for reevaluating international support and a push for genuine peace initiatives.

(41:32) The Role of Christians and the Church

• Craig and Grace critique the church's role in perpetuating misconceptions and call for a return to Jesus' teachings, focusing on peace and justice.

• They discuss the responsibility of Christians to challenge unjust systems and advocate for the oppressed.

• need for the church to be a voice for peace and reconciliation

(48:22) Call to Action

• Grace urges Christians to advocate for peace and justice, emphasizing the need for awareness and action against the ongoing occupation and humanitarian crisis.

• She calls for a collective effort to educate and mobilize communities to support human rights.

• The importance of speaking out and taking a stand against injustice is highlighted as a core Christian value.

(54:14) Personal Transformation and Advocacy

• Grace reflects on her journey from personal focus to activism, highlighting the importance of individual action in the face of global issues.

• She shares her experiences of overcoming apathy and becoming a vocal advocate for justice.

• The transformative power of personal stories and the impact of grassroots activism 

(1:02:11) Closing Thoughts

• Craig and Grace conclude with a call for continued advocacy and awareness, stressing the importance of speaking out against injustice.

• They encourage listeners to educate themselves and others about the realities of the conflict.

• The episode ends with a reminder of the power of collective action and the potential for change.

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120. The Beasts and the Lamb of Revelation: From Eden to Empire (Part 4) with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

Are we truly understanding the book of Revelation, or have we confined its message to the past? In Part 4 of our series "From Eden to Empire," invites you to explore Revelation as a paradigm for all empires, not just the Roman Empire. We delve into how its teachings provide a framework for Christians to navigate their relationship with worldly powers.

The imagery of the beasts and Babylon—often seen as symbols of Rome's imperial might—takes on new meaning as we discuss how these representations apply to any empire characterized by oppression and idolatry. What does it mean to bear the mark of the beast? We explore this as a symbol of allegiance to empire over God, contrasting it with the divine mark on believers. The origins of the infamous number 666 are also explored, examining its historical connections and broader implications about complicity with imperial power.

Revelation's call to "come out of her" challenges believers to separate from the ways of empire, urging them to live as citizens of God's kingdom. We also examine the concept of the antichrist—not as a singular end-times figure, but as any force opposing Christ's kingship.

Join us as we unpack these themes, encouraging a historically rooted understanding of how Revelation speaks to the dynamics of power and faith. As the United States looks to elect a new president, this episode promises to provoke thought and inspire reflection on the role of empires in our spiritual lives. Tune in and engage with these timeless questions.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(00:02:42) Matt's perspective on Revelation and dispensationalism

• Matt shares his past involvement with dispensationalist interpretations of Revelation

• importance of studying Revelation beyond a dispensationalist framework

(00:04:34) Interpretive views of Revelation

• four main interpretive views: futurist, preterist, historicist, and idealist

• dating of Revelation and its implications for interpretation

(00:08:35) Babylon and its representation in Revelation

• Early Christian and Jewish writers often equated Rome with Babylon

• Babylon serves as a paradigm for empires throughout history

(00:12:17) The whore of Babylon and its implications

• The whore of Babylon is linked to the goddess Roma, representing Roman patriotism

• The imagery is used to critique the entanglement of God's people with empire

• parallels to modern-day entanglements between church and state

• Characteristics of Babylon and modern parallels

• Scott McKnight's seven characteristics of Babylon are discussed: anti-God, opulent, murderous, image-focused, militaristic, economically exploitive, and arrogant

• need for Christians to recognize and resist these characteristics

(00:20:43) Call to come out of Babylon

• The call to "come out of her, my people" is explored as a call to separate from empire

• the story of Abraham being called out of Ur

• importance of living as a distinct people under God's rule

(00:23:08) The 144,000 and their significance

• 144,000 are interpreted as a symbolic representation of all who follow the Lamb.

• symbolic meaning of not defiling oneself with Babylon

(00:28:34) Introduction to Revelation 13

• key conflict text in Matt's dissertation.

• imagery of the dragon and the beast is discussed as a representation of empire

• themes of power and allegiance

(00:32:08) The beast from the sea and its symbolism

• linked to the Roman Empire and its political power

• connected to Daniel 7, where beasts represent empires

• beast as a symbol of empire, not a singular person

(00:35:26) The fatal wound and its historical context

• the near-collapse and revival of the Roman Empire

• historical context of Nero's suicide and the year of the four emperors

• empire's revival was seen as a resurrection

(00:42:23) The mark of the beast and its meaning

• symbol of allegiance to empire, contrasting with God's mark

• historical practice of branding and its implications

• symbolic nature of the mark as thoughts and actions aligned with empire

(00:50:23) The number 666 and its interpretations

• number is linked to Nero through the practice of gematria

• alternative interpretations, including connections to Solomon and empire and word beas

• symbolic meaning of 666 as getting in bed with power

(00:55:08) The concept of Antichrist in John's writings

• "Antichrist" is explored as anyone opposing Christ's kingship

  • the term is not used in Revelation

• broader application of Antichrist to any anti-kingdom power

(01:02:27) Overview and conclusion of the series

• Series aims to reconcile seemingly contradictory texts on church and empire-

• Call for Christians to live as a distinct kingdom

• choose allegiance to the Lamb over the beast

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119. From Eden to Empire (Part 3): Romans 13 Line by Line with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

In Part 3 of our series "From Eden to Empire," we unravel the complexities of Romans 13 and its implications for Christians living under governmental authority. Was Paul truly advocating for unwavering obedience to the state, or was his message more nuanced? We explore the context of Paul's letter to the Roman church in the 1st century, revealing that his words were tailored to address specific circumstances rather than offering a blanket endorsement of government power.

Our discussion delves into the idea of living peacefully within the empire while maintaining allegiance to Christ as the ultimate authority. We examine the distinction between submission and obedience, highlighting that the Greek term used by Paul suggests a voluntary yielding rather than blind compliance. This episode challenges listeners to consider when submission to earthly authorities aligns—or conflicts—with their commitment to Christ.

We also touch on the topic of taxes, suggesting that Paul's references may have been more about local dues and neighborhood authorities than the overarching Roman government. By contrasting the teachings of Romans 12 with the directives in Romans 13, we uncover how embodying the principles of the former can help navigate the challenges posed by the latter.

Join us as we dissect these themes, encouraging a deeper understanding of how Christians can faithfully engage with worldly powers while staying true to their spiritual convictions. This episode promises to provoke thought and inspire meaningful reflection on the intersection of faith and governance. Don't miss this crucial installment as we continue our journey from Eden to Empire.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(1:43) The Historical Context of Romans 13

• Discussion on the significance of Romans 13 in defending Christian entanglement with the state.

• Matt provides historical context, explaining the letter's timing and delivery by Phoebe.

(3:45) Paul's Mission for Unity in the Church

• Examination of the historical backdrop, including Claudius's edict and the shift in church leadership from Jewish to Gentile.

• Paul's mission to unify the church and promote the gospel message of Jesus as king.

(5:37) Paul's Revolutionary Gospel

• Analysis of Paul's use of imperial titles to assert Jesus's authority over Caesar.

• Discussion on the implications of Romans 13:1-7 and common misinterpretations regarding obedience to governing authorities.

(8:11) The Misinterpretation of Divine Ordination in Political Power

• Insight into the misunderstanding of divine ordination in political contexts.

• Clarification of the term "governing authorities" and its possible reference to local neighborhood leaders.

(11:12) The Structure and Themes of Romans

• Overview of the structure of Romans and its thematic elements.

• Emphasis on the distinction between submission and obedience, highlighting allegiance to Christ.

(14:26) The Sermon on the Mount and Its Impact on Society

• Exploration of how the Sermon on the Mount influences Christian behavior and societal norms.

• Encouragement for Christians to live peacefully and avoid unnecessary conflict with authorities.

(17:49) Homeowners Associations in Ancient Rome

• Insight into Roman neighborhoods and the role of local shrines and authorities.

• The potential conflict for Christians who chose not to participate in local cultic practices.

(20:45) The Role of Governing Authorities in Early Christianity

• Discussion on the context of taxes in Romans 13 and the potential reference to local dues.

• The broader message of rendering to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

(24:20) The Role of Christians in Ancient Rome

• Examination of how Christians navigated their roles within Roman society.

• The importance of maintaining a good witness in the community.

(28:20) The Role of Governing Authorities in the New Testament

• Analysis of the New Testament's portrayal of governing authorities.

• Theological reflections on the relationship between Christians and political powers.

(52:52) Ancient Societies and Modern Perspectives

• Comparison of ancient societal structures with modern perspectives on governance.

• Discussion on how these insights inform contemporary Christian practice.

(55:31) The Double Voice in Romans 13

• Exploration of the dual messaging in Romans 13, addressing both public and hidden meanings.

• Insight into how Paul's message challenges traditional views of government authority.

(59:13) Allegiance and Conscience in Biblical Context

• Examination of the concept of allegiance and conscience in the Bible.

• Discussion on how these themes influence Christian behavior and decision-making.

(1:05:54) Jeremiah 29's Exile Guidance as a Metaphor

• Reflection on Jeremiah 29's guidance for exiles as a metaphor for Christian living.

• Encouragement to live out kingdom values while residing in worldly systems.

(1:08:35) Theological Reflections on Romans 12 and 13

• Summary of the key theological insights from Romans 12 and 13.

• Emphasis on the call to love and serve others as a reflection of Christ's teachings.

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118. From Eden to Empire (Part 2): First Peter's Insights with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

In the second installment of our series "From Eden to Empire," we delve into Matt's dissertation with a focus on the teachings of First Peter. Building on the foundation laid in our first episode, which explored the "Deuteronomy 32 Worldview," we now turn our attention to how these themes are expanded in Peter's writings.

Peter's teachings challenge us to reconsider the nature of submission—not as mere obedience to human authorities, but as a voluntary act for the sake of Christ. What does it mean to live as exiles and strangers, maintaining a distinct identity from the world's systems and authorities? This episode invites you to explore these questions and more.

We also discuss the transformative power of baptism, which Peter presents as a declaration of allegiance to God's kingdom. This act of spiritual warfare signifies a break from worldly systems and a commitment to a higher calling. How does this shape our understanding of spiritual identity and community?

Join us as we explore the call for Christians to live as witnesses, leading lives that not only silence critics but also draw others to Christ. Rather than seeking to fix or overthrow worldly systems, Peter's teachings encourage us to embody a different kind of revolution. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that deepens your understanding of First Peter and its relevance today.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Exploring Romans 13 and 1 Peter

• Guest Matt Mazakis returns for a series on Romans 13.

• Deuteronomy 32 worldview as a foundation.

• 1 Peter's submission texts compared to Romans 13.

(3:54) Context and Authorship of 1 Peter

• Authorship debate: Peter's role and Greek language differences.

• Audience: Jewish and Gentile mix in Asia Minor.

(8:34) Deuteronomy 32 Worldview

• Three falls in the Old Testament.

• Spiritual beings over nations leading people away from Yahweh.

(12:38) Living as Exiles

• Christians as exiles, separate from worldly systems.

• Identity as a chosen race, royal priesthood, holy nation.

(29:19) Submission and Authority

• "Submission" vs. obedience in 1 Peter and Romans 13.

• Greek term "hupotasso" and voluntary yielding.

(36:06) Cultural Context and Social Structures

• Emperor worship and social hierarchies in 1 Peter's context.

• Roles of slaves and wives; spiritual freedom in Christ.

(20:36) Baptism as Spiritual Warfare

• Baptism as a proclamation against principalities and powers.

• Allegiance to Jesus and renouncing worldly systems.

(40:27) Freedom and Honor

• Living as free people, serving God.

• Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God.

(47:28) Conclusion and Next Steps

• Looking ahead to part 3 

• Encouragement to live distinctively as Christians.

(48:11) Additional Resources

• Expedition 44 podcast for further exploration.

• Support the Bad Roman project through donations and social media engagement.

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117. From Eden to Empire Part 1: Deuteronomy 32 & Christ’s Nature with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

Explore the profound intersection of faith, spiritual governance, and political power with our guest Matt Mouzakis. Matt provides insights from his research, guiding us through a deep examination of Romans 13 using the "Deuteronomy 32 worldview." Together, we reflect on the early Christian perspective of state authority, highlighting the importance of prioritizing Christ over earthly powers.

We also delve into the role of spiritual beings like seraphim, cherubim, and angels, and how their actions influence human affairs. The discussion continues with a fresh understanding of God's nature—not as a strict authoritarian but as a collaborative partner in divine governance.

Key topics include forbidden knowledge, the significance of the three falls in Genesis, and the portrayal of Satan as more than a singular evil entity. We also unpack Psalm 82, which depicts a divine council and God’s judgment, offering a fresh perspective on justice.

As we turn to politics, Craig challenges reliance on human governance and argues for a return to Jesus' teachings. This leads to a thought-provoking discussion on how modern political systems clash with the early Christian conviction of having "No king but Christ." Join us as we explore these transformative ideas and reconsider the role of faith in the modern world.

Connect with Matt and Expedition 44:

• YouTube

• Website

• Covenant Theological Seminary

• Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Episode Timestamps:

(4:21) Deuteronomy 32 Worldview and Its Historical Context

• Exploration of the Deuteronomy 32 worldview, where God divides the nations and assigns spiritual beings (the "sons of God") to rule over them after Babel, while keeping Israel for Himself

• Early church history’s view on state authority, with Christians understanding themselves as part of God's chosen people under Christ, often in tension with surrounding political powers

• Presence of this worldview in Second Temple Judaism, particularly in apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch, which elaborate on the roles of these spiritual rulers and their rebellion against God

• References to scholars like Dr. Michael Heiser, who argues that understanding the Deuteronomy 32 worldview is key to interpreting the Bible's cosmic conflict between God and rebellious spiritual beings, as well as its implications for Christian views on governance and spiritual warfare

(8:04) Spiritual Beings and Their Roles

• Breakdown of seraphim, cherubim, and angels' roles in the divine order

• Seraphim as "burning ones" often associated with purity and worship

• Cherubim as guardians of sacred spaces (e.g., Eden, the Ark of the Covenant)

• Angels as messengers and intermediaries between God and humanity

• How these spiritual beings operate in the unseen realm and influence earthly events, including biblical examples like Daniel's visions or Jacob's ladder

(11:10) Rethinking the Nature of God

• Craig’s view of God as a collaborator, challenging the hierarchical, authoritarian view commonly held in Western theology

• Personal experiences that shaped this perspective, including encounters with suffering and injustice that prompted a reexamination of God’s role

• The idea of God working alongside humanity in a co-creative relationship, rather than imposing top-down control

• Contrast with the image of God as a monarchic ruler, drawing on the writings of modern theologians like N.T. Wright and process theology

(21:48) Forbidden Knowledge and the Fall of Spiritual Beings

• Genesis 6 and the concept of forbidden knowledge—focusing on the "sons of God" and their descent to earth to impart knowledge to humans

• Insights from Second Temple Judaism, particularly the Book of Enoch, which describes the Watchers (fallen angels) and their impact on human society (e.g., warfare, sorcery)

• Exploration of the ripple effects of this forbidden knowledge, particularly its role in increasing corruption, violence, and the distancing of humanity from God

(26:07) The Three Falls in Genesis

• The three major falls: the fall of humanity (Adam and Eve), the fall of angels (Genesis 6), and the Tower of Babel

• The fall of humanity seen as the introduction of sin and mortality, contrasted with the fall of angels as a cosmic rebellion against divine order

• The Tower of Babel as a story of human pride and God’s intervention to scatter nations, marking the division of the world’s spiritual and political powers

• Contrast between Western original sin and ancient Jewish views, which often focus more on corporate responsibility and spiritual rebellion

(32:08) Understanding Satan in the Old Testament

• Satan’s role as accuser and adversary in books like Job and Zechariah, where he serves as a prosecutor within God’s divine court

• Challenging the idea of Satan as a single, purely evil figure—early Jewish texts often depict multiple adversarial beings or forces

• Satan as a complex figure in early traditions, not yet the personified "Devil" of later Christian theology

(38:36) Divine Council and Judgment in Psalms

• Psalm 82 and the judgment of a divine council of gods, referencing ancient Near Eastern beliefs about multiple deities or spiritual beings ruling over nations

• Yahweh’s role as the supreme judge, condemning other gods for failing to uphold justice

• Themes of justice and God’s governance, tying into modern reflections on power, corruption, and spiritual accountability

(42:07) Government and Faith

• Critique of reliance on human governments, particularly in light of the early Christian conviction that worldly power is often corrupt and spiritually compromised

• Argument for returning to Jesus’ teachings of nonviolence, servant leadership, and the Kingdom of God as an alternative to political systems

• Flaws in human political systems, emphasizing the spiritual forces (often negative) influencing earthly governments, as suggested in texts like Ephesians 6:12

(44:50) Jesus as the Reflection of God

• Jesus as the true representation of God’s nature—emphasizing themes of mercy, forgiveness, and love that contrast with some portrayals of divine wrath in the Old Testament

• Challenge to traditional Old Testament views of God, especially regarding violence, punishment, and divine judgment

• Jesus’ teachings as a way to redefine divine understanding, focusing on His emphasis on humility, sacrifice, and radical love

(47:32) The Desire for a Tall King

• Israelites’ desire for a human king in 1 Samuel as a rejection of divine rule—paralleling modern tendencies to seek political leaders rather than trust in God

• Symbolism of Saul’s height as a reflection of superficial values (power, strength) that overshadow spiritual reliance on God

• Impact on understanding biblical leadership, emphasizing the contrast between Saul and David, a king after God’s heart

(50:21) Voting as a Rejection of God

• 1 Samuel 8 and the Israelites demanding a king, even after God warns them of the consequences—seen as a moment of turning away from direct divine leadership

• Discussion on the tension between human governance and divine authority, especially relevant to modern debates on Christian participation in politics

• Questions raised about whether voting in modern democratic systems reflects a similar desire for human control, potentially in conflict with a Christ-centered worldview

(55:14) No King but Christ: A Return to Early Christian Teachings

• Early Christian belief of "No king but Christ," emphasizing their refusal to swear allegiance to Roman emperors or earthly powers

• Implications for modern Christian practice—how this ancient conviction challenges contemporary involvement in political systems and nationalistic ideologies

• Exploration of how this principle calls for a reevaluation of political engagement, possibly advocating for a form of Christian anarchism or kingdom-focused living that transcends political affiliations

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116. Libertarianism Exposed: Corruption and Compromise with Jeremy Harding

About this Episode

Are libertarians compromising their principles for political gain? In this episode, we tackle some hard-hitting critiques of the Libertarian Party and its recent alignments. Our guest argues that many libertarians are willing to support political figures like Donald Trump and Argentine President Javier Milei to gain relevance, despite the contradictions this poses to libertarian ideals.

We dive deep into the hypocrisies of the Libertarian Party and the policies of figures they have recently supported, questioning whether they truly represent libertarian values. Our guest provides an extensive critique, highlighting the harmful practices and behaviors Milei, Musk, and Trump have all implemented and the echo chambers that form around such figures, stifling meaningful debate within libertarian circles.

The conversation takes a thought-provoking turn as we explore Christian anarchism. Should Christians reject statism entirely and follow Christ rather than political figures or parties? Our guest and host discuss this radical idea, challenging listeners to reconsider their political and spiritual allegiances.

We also scrutinize the funding sources within libertarian movements. Are libertarian organizations compromising their message by taking money from billionaires and corporations? Our guest argues that this financial backing undermines the principles these groups claim to uphold.

Join us for a compelling discussion that questions the integrity and future of libertarianism. This episode is sure to spark spirited debates and encourage listeners to think critically about their political beliefs. Tune in and let's question together!

Connect with Jeremey Harding:

• Website: https://jeremiahharding.com/

• YouTube: Jeremiah Talks

• @insanityisfree: Twitter (X), Instagram, Facebook, 

• Anarchunity.com

Episode Timestamps:

1:43 Guest Introduction, Libertarian Figures, and Criticisms

• Jeremy criticizes prominent libertarian figures like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel.

• Discussion on the contradictions within libertarian circles, especially regarding support for figures like Musk and Thiel.

5:34 Freedom of Speech and Censorship

• Elon Musk's compliance with censorship

• Twitter and authoritarian governments

• Concerns about freedom of speech

9:01 Anarchists' Views on Political Figures

• Political figure claiming to be an anarchist

• Running for presidency

• Anarchists leaning towards statism

10:29 Libertarian Party Process

• Inefficiencies in the party

• Corruption within the process

• Advocacy for alternative structures

16:24 Liberty Twitter Experience

• Speaker C's negative reputation

• Branding and interactions

• Influence within the libertarian community

18:24 Unconventional Opinions

• Libertarianism and anarchism

• Influence of societal figures

• Stepping away from material possessions

19:56 Evolution of Liberty Hangout

• Transformation to Trump-supporting outlet

• Shift in audience

• Creation of Catholic Hangout

22:55 Eric July and Ripiverse Comics

• Affiliation with Ripiverse Comics

• "Being libertarian" page

• Right-wing content and meme theft

27:01 Javier Milei's Political Shift

• Shift towards conservative figures

• Embrace of right-wing ideologies

• Critique of Libertarians compromising principles

29:54 Criticism of Javier Milei

• Issues with inflation

• Devaluing the currency

• Controversial support for Israel

46:24 Libertarian Funding Sources

• Connections to right-wing billionaires

• Impact on libertarian message

• Influence of Koch brothers and Peter Thiel

50:59 Ideals of Libertarianism

• Philosophy beyond non-aggression

• Property rights considerations

• Cultural and global contributions

58:24 Radical Ideals and Anarchunity.com

• Edgy content and Purpose of anarchunity.com

• Anarchist unity and original content

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115. Policing Without the State: Rethinking Law Enforcement with Jeff Perry

About this Episode

What would security look like in a society without government? In this episode of the Bad Roman podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Jeff Perry from Voluntarism in Action to explore this intriguing question. They delve into the concept of voluntary society security, discussing how private security firms, insurance-based models, and community-based solutions could replace traditional policing.

The conversation begins with a critique of the current government-run police system, highlighting significant issues such as qualified immunity, police militarization, and the lack of accountability. Jeff and Craig argue that the existing system often fails to protect citizens and instead perpetuates a cycle of fear and control. "The police protect you from what they'll do to you if you don't pay them," Jeff asserts, challenging listeners to rethink the foundational myths surrounding government and security.

Moving beyond critique, the discussion shifts to how free market principles could offer better incentives and outcomes for security services. Jeff explains how private security firms and insurance-based models could create a more efficient and ethical system. "In a free market, everyone together is smarter than anyone working alone," he notes, emphasizing the potential for innovation and improved services when competition is allowed to flourish.

The episode also explores community-based solutions, such as neighborhood watch programs, which could provide localized and responsive security. These solutions, Jeff argues, would be more accountable to the people they serve, unlike the current system where police are often insulated from consequences.

From a Christian perspective, Craig and Jeff delve into how voluntary solutions align more closely with Christian principles than coercive government systems. They discuss the moral implications of using force and coercion, contrasting it with the teachings of Jesus. "Jesus wants your heart. He doesn't want to force you to obey his commands," Jeff explains, highlighting the ethical alignment between Christianity and voluntaryism.

Episode Quotes:

"The police protect you from what they'll do to you if you don't pay them."

"In a free market, everyone together is smarter than anyone working alone."

Quick Takeaways:

• Understanding the potential of private security firms and insurance-based models in a voluntary society.

• Recognizing the flaws in the current government-run police system, including issues of accountability and militarization.

• Exploring how free market principles can create better security outcomes.

• Challenging the myth that government inherently protects its citizens.

• Aligning Christian principles with voluntary, non-coercive solutions for societal issues.
  

This episode is sure to provoke thought and encourage listeners to reconsider their views on security and governance. Tune in for a compelling discussion that questions the status quo and envisions a freer, more ethical society.

Connect with Jeff:

• Voluntaryism in Action Website

• Voluntaryism in Action LinkedIn

• Podcast: Voluntary View on  Spotify, iTunes, YouTube

Episode Timestamps:

00:02 Welcome and Introduction

• Craig kicks off the Bad Roman podcast.

• Today's topic: What would security look like in a voluntary society?

• Special guest: Jeff Perry from Voluntarism in Action (VIA).

00:22 Recurring Question on Security in a Voluntary Society

• Craig talks about the common question he gets about security in a voluntary society.

• Reintroduces Jeff Perry, who previously appeared with his wife, Sarah.

01:53 Jeff Perry's Article on Voluntary Society Security

• Jeff wrote an article on voluntary society security that Sarah shared in their discussion group.

• Craig found the article insightful and wants to dive deeper into it.

3:07 Personal Experiences and Reflections

• Craig and Jeff share their personal journeys towards understanding voluntarism.

• Craig talks about his initial struggle with the concept, especially regarding police.

4:20 Police and State Power

• They discuss the imbalance of power between police and the public.

• Craig and Jeff debunk the myth that police are there to protect you.

7:14 Qualified Immunity and Police Accountability

• Jeff explains qualified immunity and how it shields police from accountability.

• They compare police behavior to that of ordinary citizens and highlight the unfairness.

11:07 Voluntary Society and Security Models

• Jeff outlines potential security models in a voluntary society, like neighborhood watches and private security agencies.

• The role of insurance companies in providing security services to reduce claims and enhance protection.

16:32 Economic Incentives and Market Solutions

• Discussion on how market incentives would drive better security solutions.

• The potential for various security agencies catering to different community needs and values.

20:22 Addressing Concerns about the Poor

• How would poorer communities get security services in a voluntary society?

• The role of community efforts and pro bono services.

24:56 Misconceptions about Lawlessness

• Clarifying that a voluntary society would still have rules and agreements.

• The importance of mutual respect and cooperation in maintaining order.

30:34 Private Prisons vs. Private Policing

• Jeff addresses concerns about private prisons and distinguishes them from true market-based security solutions.

• Focus on restitution and compensation rather than punishment.

36:49 Military and National Defense

• Brief discussion on the myth of national defense and how voluntary solutions could address security without a standing army.

• Reference to the book "The Myth of National Defense" by the Mises Institute.

40:39 Closing Thoughts

• Craig and Jeff reflect on the importance of spreading the message of voluntarism.

• Encouragement for listeners to support Voluntarism in Action and other voluntary efforts.

43:06 Contribution to The Show

• Craig invites listeners to donate to the Bad Roman project through Spotfund.

• Information on how donations support local charities in Memphis, Tennessee.

47:28 Final Remarks

• Craig thanks Jeff for the insightful conversation.

• Encouragement for listeners to engage with the Bad Roman podcast and share their thoughts.

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114. Who Would Jesus Bomb? Questioning War Through Song with Jordan Smart

About this Episode

Musician Jordan Smart shares his journey from growing up in a religious household in Ohio to becoming a touring musician. He discusses his early disillusionment with the church, his deep connection to music, and how punk rock influenced his worldview. The conversation centers around Jordan's song "Who Would Jesus Bomb?", which caught Craig's attention and led to this discussion. Jordan explains that while he isn't vocally anti-war, his frustrations with how religious traditions can be manipulated for propaganda inspired him to write the song.

Jordan reflects, "I was raised to believe Jesus loves everyone, but seeing how that message gets twisted to justify violence really pushed me to write this song." The episode delves into the troubling support for war among Christians, the manipulation by governments, and the importance of compassion and humanity. Jordan also highlights his project, Songs Not Bombs, which raises funds for Palestinian children.

Craig and Jordan discuss poignant lines from the song, such as, "Would Jesus bomb the atheist, the Muslim, or the Jew?" and "Would you still believe in Jesus if you found out he was brown?" These lines challenge listeners to reconsider their views on war, politics, and faith. This episode is a thought-provoking listen for anyone interested in these critical issues.

Connect with Jordan Smart:

• Jordan Smart Music on Instagram

• Songs Not Bombs on Bandcamp - All Proceeds Go to Palestine

• Songs Not Bombs on Instagram

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

(00:45) Jordan's Background

• Jordan shares his upbringing in Ohio and his religious family background

• His journey with music, starting from a young age

• Background with Christianity and anarchy

(02:00) Music as a Form of Protest

• Discussion on Jordan's project "Songs Not Bombs"

• Efforts to raise funds for the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund (PCRF)

• The impact of music in processing and responding to world events

• Anti-War Sentiments

• Jordan's long-standing anti-war beliefs were influenced by punk rock

• Reflections on the current state of global conflicts

(7:27) The Power of Music

• Craig and Jordan discuss the emotional impact of music

• Music as a medium to express complex feelings and ideas

• The ability of music to resonate with diverse audiences

(9:40) Christianity and War

• The troubling support for the war among some Christians

• The disconnect between Jesus' teachings and modern Christian behavior

• Reflections on the pro-war stance of certain Christian groups

(11:59) Generational Perspectives

• The younger generation's growing disillusionment with the current system

• The potential for the younger generation to drive change

• The impact of social media and 24-hour news cycles on youth

• Political Disillusionment

• Failures of both major political parties in the U.S.

• The need for a new approach to governance and societal issues

• Personal experiences with political disillusionment

(16:45) Personal and Political Pushback to Jordan’s Song “Who Would Jesus Bomb?”

• Jordan shares experiences with pushback from friends and family

• The challenges of speaking out on controversial issues

• The importance of staying true to one's beliefs.

(20:51) Echo Chambers and Authenticity

• The importance of breaking out of echo chambers

• Staying authentic and true to one's message

• The impact of authenticity on audience engagement

(24:26) The Role of the Military

• Discussion on military recruitment and its implications

• The true threats to freedom and liberty

• Reflections on the U.S. military's global impact

(30:43) Compassion and Humanity

• Emphasizing the need for compassion towards all people

• The interconnected nature of various social justice issues

• The role of compassion in creating a better world.

34:59 Challenging Beliefs

• Jordan's song as a tool to challenge deeply held beliefs

• The importance of questioning and re-evaluating one's views

• The impact of music in provoking thought and discussion

(39:40) Personal Journeys

• Craig shares his journey from neoconservatism to Christian anarchism

• The influence of early church writings on his views

• The role of personal experiences in shaping beliefs

(43:17) The Influence of Social Media

• The role of social media in shaping public opinion

• The dangers of misinformation and propaganda

• The impact of social media on political and social views

(47:27) Interconnected Issues

• The interconnected nature of various social justice issues

• The importance of addressing these issues collectively

• The role of music and activism in highlighting these connections.

(52:19) Political Theater

• The manipulation of public opinion by the ultra-wealthy ruling class

• The need for unity among the oppressed.

• The impact of political theater on societal divisions

(57:52) Blonde Hair and Blue Eyes: Jesus and Race

• The significance of recognizing Jesus' true background

• The implications of Jesus' ethnicity for modern Christianity

• The importance of challenging racial stereotypes in religious contexts.

(1:00:13) Encouragement and Support

• Jordan shares the overwhelming support he has received for his music

• The importance of continuing to speak out on important issues

• Reflections on the impact of his song "Who Would Jesus Bomb?"

(1:03:21) Final Thoughts

• Craig encourages Jordan to keep leaning into his message

• The importance of making a difference through music and activism

• Reflections on the need for boldness and authenticity in advocacy.

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