About this Episode

Is the world turning a blind eye to the plight of Palestinians? Grace Batchoun, a Christian and Co-founder of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, joins Craig for a deeply personal conversation about the ongoing Occupation of the Palestinian people and genocide in Gaza. Grace shares her journey as a Palestinian Christian and highlights the dire situation in Gaza, challenging the narrative of Israel's self-defense.

Grace and Craig emphasize the need for Christians to align with the teachings of Jesus by advocating for peace and justice over death and destruction. Grace deconstructs the ongoing expansion of settlements, which defy international law and United Nations resolutions. How does this impact the lives of those in the region? The conversation unpacks the complexities of everyday life brought on by the Israeli Occupation of Palestinians, urging listeners to reconsider their perspectives and recognize the humanity of Palestinians.

The current humanitarian crisis and genocide in Gaza is another focal point. The severe conditions caused by Israeli blockades and refusal to work toward a ceasefire agreement—continuing the unending starvation, destroyed infrastructure, and families in distress. What does this mean for the people living there, and how can the international community respond?

Craig and Grace also examine the role of evangelical Christian support for Israel. Does this stance align with the teachings of Jesus on peace and justice, or does it contradict them? Through personal stories and historical context, this episode offers a Palestinian perspective on displacement and life under occupation.

Finally, the discussion sheds light on the broader implications of Israel's actions on international law and human rights. How do these actions measure up against the conventions established after World War II? Listen to this episode of the Bad Roman Podcast and join the conversation online as we navigate these challenging topics, encouraging listeners to reflect on justice, peace, and the power of global solidarity.

Learn More about Palestine:

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Addressing the Gaza Crisis

Craig expresses concern over the escalating situation in Gaza
mainstream narrative that frames Israel as merely defending itself against terrorism.

(2:07) Grace Batchoun’s Background

Grace shares her family's history as Palestinian refugees and her journey to Canada.

Her parents were expelled from Palestine in 1948, leading to a life of displacement and eventual settlement in Canada.

Grace discusses her Christian faith, which she embraced through InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and her active role in church ministries.

(4:09) Awakening to Activism

Grace recounts a pivotal moment in 2002 that shifted her focus from personal life to activism, following a tragic incident in Jenin.

The story of Jamal Fayid a paraplegic man crushed by an Israeli tank sparked her involvement in humanitarian efforts.

This incident led to her collaboration with World Vision and the founding of Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East.

(6:41) Humanitarian vs. Occupation Crisis

Grace emphasizes the need to address the root cause of the conflict: the occupation.

She argues that the issue is not merely humanitarian but deeply political, rooted in military oppression and land colonization.
The ongoing occupation perpetuates suffering and prevents any lasting peace or resolution.

(9:07) Misinterpretations Among Christians

Common misinterpretation among Christians regarding Israel as a nation state versus a biblical concept.

Grace and Craig stress the importance of understanding the biblical context, where Israel is seen as a spiritual entity rather than a modern nation state.

Confusion among Christians who equate biblical Israel with the current political state.

(12:12) The Reality of Gaza

Grace provides stark statistics on the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, including the destruction of infrastructure and the high number of casualties, particularly among women and children.
Gaza as one of the most densely populated areas, suffering from severe shortages of basic necessities.
The blockade and military actions have led to a dire humanitarian situation, with widespread destruction and loss of life.

(16:30) Genocide or Defense?

The actions of Israel meet the definition of genocide.
international legal definitions of genocide and how they apply to the current situation.
Challenges the narrative that frames Israel's actions as self-defense, highlighting the disproportionate impact on civilians.

(19:01) Personal Stories and Historical Context

Grace shares her family's displacement and the broader historical context of Palestinian expulsion and land loss.

She recounts her family's experiences of being expelled from their home and the ongoing struggle for recognition and rights.

The historical context of the 1948 Nakba and subsequent conflicts is discussed to provide a deeper understanding of the current situation.

(25:56) The Ongoing Occupation

Grace details the continued expansion of Israeli settlements and the impact on Palestinian lives, drawing parallels to historical injustices.

systematic displacement of Palestinians and the appropriation of their land for settlements.
legal and ethical implications of the occupation and the international community's response.

(33:07) Misconceptions About Hamas

Both speakers clarify that their stance is not in support of Hamas but rather in defense of human rights and international law.

a common misconception that criticism of Israel equates to support for Hamas.

The focus is on advocating for the rights and dignity of all people, regardless of political affiliations.

(36:09) International Response and U.S. Influence

Grace discusses the global response to the conflict and the significant role of U.S. support for Israel, which she argues hinders peace efforts.

The influence of U.S. foreign policy and military aid in perpetuating the conflict is examined.

Grace calls for reevaluating international support and a push for genuine peace initiatives.

(41:32) The Role of Christians and the Church

Craig and Grace critique the church's role in perpetuating misconceptions and call for a return to Jesus' teachings, focusing on peace and justice.

They discuss the responsibility of Christians to challenge unjust systems and advocate for the oppressed.
need for the church to be a voice for peace and reconciliation

(48:22) Call to Action

Grace urges Christians to advocate for peace and justice, emphasizing the need for awareness and action against the ongoing occupation and humanitarian crisis.

She calls for a collective effort to educate and mobilize communities to support human rights.

The importance of speaking out and taking a stand against injustice is highlighted as a core Christian value.

(54:14) Personal Transformation and Advocacy

Grace reflects on her journey from personal focus to activism, highlighting the importance of individual action in the face of global issues.

She shares her experiences of overcoming apathy and becoming a vocal advocate for justice.

The transformative power of personal stories and the impact of grassroots activism

(1:02:11) Closing Thoughts

Craig and Grace conclude with a call for continued advocacy and awareness, stressing the importance of speaking out against injustice.
They encourage listeners to educate themselves and others about the realities of the conflict.
The episode ends with a reminder of the power of collective action and the potential for change.