145. Charlie Kirk and the Lamb of God: Can You Carry the Flag and the Cross at the Same Time?

After Charlie Kirk’s tragic death, a deeper conversation has surfaced about the growing entanglement of Christianity and politics.

This episode of The Bad Roman Podcast steps into that tension and explores what happens when the Church trades the cross for a campaign.

Our guest, Brian Drinkwine, is a pastor and church planter who has walked that road himself. He went from a passionate political believer to a follower of Christ learning to question the marriage between faith and power. His viral post about Charlie Kirk’s memorial service sparked a national conversation and revealed how uneasy many Christians feel about the blending of faith and political ideology.

The Malaise of Modern Christianity

There is a growing discomfort in the Church, a spiritual restlessness that Brian calls malaise. Many believers sense that something is wrong, even if they cannot explain it.

This episode gives language to that unease and helps people who feel out of place in modern Christianity find words for what they feel.

“You’re not crazy,” Brian says to those who feel out of step. “You saw this and thought, something’s not right. You chose to give your allegiance to Jesus alone. That should be celebrated, not condemned.”

That is the heartbeat of The Bad Roman: No King but Christ.

It is not a slogan but a return to the simplicity and power of early Christianity.

The Danger of Political Allegiance

One of the clearest insights from this conversation is that political parties often act like religions.

Each one has its own sacred texts, rituals, and values. For some, the Constitution becomes scripture. Voting becomes a sacrament. Party leaders become prophets.

When Christians give their ultimate loyalty to these political “religions,” they risk betraying the Kingdom of God.

“We cannot serve both God and Mammon,” Brian reminds us. “And sometimes, political power becomes the new Mammon.”

This is not theory. It is a call to honest reflection.
Have we allowed our politics to shape our faith more than the teachings of Jesus?

Reframing Faith and Politics

Throughout the episode, Brian and Craig invite listeners to rethink what it means to follow Jesus in a politically divided world.

1. Patriotism vs. Nationalism: It is good to appreciate your country. But when love of nation becomes ultimate loyalty, it becomes idolatry.

2. The Narrow Path: Following Jesus is not about finding middle ground. It is about choosing a completely different way. The Kingdom of God is not found on the right or the left. It is found on the narrow road of Christ.

3. Repentance as Revolution: The word metanoia means a complete change of mind. It is not about guilt but about turning back to Jesus as King.

4. The Power of Forgiveness: The difference between Erica Kirk’s forgiveness and the calls for revenge at the memorial shows what Kingdom love really looks like.

Practical Steps for Realignment

If your faith feels tangled up in politics, Brian offers a few ways to begin untangling it.

• Take a “politics fast.” Step away from political media and spend time in the Gospels instead.

• Simplify your faith. Start again with the basics, like the Sermon on the Mount.

• Check your allegiances. Ask yourself, “If loving others like Jesus meant losing my party loyalty, could I do it?”

• Speak prophetically. True patriotism tells the truth, even when it is uncomfortable.

What This Teaches Us About Faith and Politics

This conversation is a mirror for all of us who have ever mixed our love for Jesus with our loyalty to empire. It reminds us that our mission is not political victory but faithfulness to Christ.

In a world divided by tribalism, allegiance to Jesus is the most countercultural thing we can offer.

“On the other side of my political allegiance,” Brian says, “when I gave that up and fully gave myself to Jesus, it is just a better life.”

So where does your allegiance really lie?
Are you ready to walk away from the noise and return to the way of Jesus?

The Kingdom still calls.

No King but Christ.

🤝Connect with Brian Drinkwine:

• Email: brian@briandrinkwine.com

• Website: https://briandrinkwine.com/

• Linkedin

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• Facebook

• Instagram 

• Ministry at Breakthrough Church

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Discussing reactions to Charlie Kirk's death

• Brian Drinkwine joins to discuss varied reactions to Kirk's passing

• Read Brains post here

• Examining potential blurred lines due to nationalism

• Questioning if some churches have lost focus on "no king but Jesus"

(0:48) Brian Drinkwine's background

• Grew up in Nashville, Tennessee in independent fundamental Baptist tradition

• Transitioned to Southern Baptist church and found faith at youth camp

• Experience in youth ministry and church planting

(4:09) The viral post about Charlie Kirk

• Origin of Drinkwine's post addressing the tragedy

• Unexpected widespread response and impact

• Dealing with the flood of messages and notifications

(10:45) Addressing the church's response

• Preparing a message to bring the congregation together

• Importance of uniting around Jesus rather than political parties

• Transcribing and adapting the message for social media

(23:52) Reflections on the memorial service

• Conflicting emotions during Charlie Kirk's memorial

• Redeeming moments and problematic statements

• Struggle with nationalistic undertones in Christian spaces

(29:19) The danger of political allegiance

• Exploring the concept of allegiance in faith and politics

• Matthew Bates' book "Salvation by Allegiance Alone"

• Warning against getting sucked back into allegiance to empire

(35:32) Early church perspective on empire

• Examining how early Christians responded to empire

• Importance of studying church fathers like Tertullian

• Unpopularity of this view in mainstream churches

(41:34) The malaise in modern Christianity

• Growing sense of unease among followers of Jesus

• Need to return to Jesus as the solution

• Importance of simplifying faith and focusing on basic teachings

(54:46) Christian nationalism and its impact

• Difference between patriotism and nationalism

• Danger of giving full allegiance to political parties

• Need for a prophetic voice while appreciating one's country

(1:06:56) Tools for self-reflection

• Developing a breakdown of political parties and Jesus as rival religions

• Creating a 10-point checklist for assessing political engagement

• Importance of distinguishing between political identity and identity in Christ

(1:17:34) Conclusion and future discussions

• Potential follow-up episode on political parties and Jesus as religions

• Invitation for listeners to engage in dialogue

• Plans for online community discussions on these issues

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123. Democracy vs. Monarchy: Are We Truly Free? with Jeb Smith

About this Episode

What if everything you thought about democracy was wrong? In our latest episode, Jeb Smith, author of "Missing Monarchy,"challenges the conventional wisdom on governance, exploring the surprising benefits of medieval kingship over modern democracy. Are we truly freer today, or have we misunderstood the past?

In our conversation, we explore:

The Misconceptions of Democracy: Jeb argues that democracy may not be the beacon of freedom we believe it to be. Discover why he believes medieval societies offered more liberty than our current systems.

The Role of Kingship: Far from being tyrannical, medieval kingship was decentralized and voluntary, offering a unique form of governance that respected individual choice.

The Power of No King but Christ: How the teachings of Christ can guide us away from political entanglements and towards a more authentic Christian life.

Jeb Smith takes us through history, sharing how his transition from atheism to Christianity and his study of pre-14th-century European history reshaped his understanding of governance and liberty. He states, "In the Middle Ages…there's not a king passing laws. The laws are derived from the people organically in their customs that lasted over hundreds of years." This perspective invites listeners to reconsider the centralized power of modern democracy and its impact on individual freedom.

The conversation turns to the Christian principle of "No King but Christ," urging believers to prioritize divine authority over earthly institutions. Jeb and Craig explore how this idea can guide Christians in navigating the complexities of government, emphasizing that no human institution should dictate one's life if it contradicts Christ's teachings.

Jeb also critiques the modern education system, describing it as a tool for creating compliant citizens rather than fostering independent thinkers. He warns, "If people have no solid foundation and no roots running deep in the soil, they can be easily swept off by the current agenda of the day." This analysis encourages listeners to examine the influences shaping their beliefs and actions.

As the discussion unfolds, Jeb challenges the effectiveness of libertarianism within the current political framework, quoting Lysander Spooner: "Under democracy, a man finds himself inspired by a government that he cannot resist, a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights under peril and weighty punishment." This critique invites listeners to question whether true liberty can be achieved through existing political structures.

Tune in on your favorite podcast player as Jeb unpacks these provocative ideas and shares insights from his book, "Missing: What Americans Get Wrong about Monarchy, Democracy, Feudalism, and Liberty." The dialogue not only questions the status quo but also offers a perspective on the intersection of faith, governance, and education. This episode is sure to pique your curiosity and inspire you to reflect on the principles that should guide our Christian lives.

Connect with Jeb Smith:

• Amazon Author Page

• Fanmail and Hate male via email: jackson18611096@gmail.com

Episode Timestamps:

(1:08) Jeb's Background

• Jeb shares his upbringing in Vermont within a Christian family

• his initial rejection of faith due to unanswered questions

• His journey through atheism, influenced by secular education, eventually led him back to Christianity through apologetics and creationist literature.

• Jeb describes his political journey from a conservative American Christian to a libertarian,

(5:18) Influence of Tolkien and Historical Insights

• Jeb's admiration for J.R.R. Tolkien's works, which incorporate anarchist and libertarian themes, inspired him to explore Anglo-Saxon history. 

• His research revealed a libertarian and anarchist form of governance in pre-conquest England, challenging modern perceptions of monarchy.

(8:12) Identity and Labels

• Craig and Jeb discuss the complexity of political and religious labels

• importance of individual thought and the limitations of labels in capturing the nuances of personal beliefs

(9:25) Christianity and Politics

• critiques the conflation of Christianity with political figures like Trump

• dangers of aligning faith with political agendas

• importance of separating religious beliefs from political identities to maintain the integrity of Christian teachings

(11:01) The Dangers of Political Allegiance

• How political allegiance can distort Christian values

• need for Christians to prioritize their faith over political affiliations to avoid being swayed by partisan agendas

• universal appeal of Jesus' teachings, which transcend religious boundaries and resonate with people of various beliefs.

(14:24) Western Christianity's Challenges

• divergence between Western and Eastern Christianity

• influence of cultural and political factors on the practice of Christianity in the West

(15:46) Breaking Free from Political Labels

• liberation found in stepping away from political affiliations

• importance of independent thought and the benefits of viewing issues from multiple perspectives.

(19:06) The Power of Discourse

• value of honest conversations beyond political divides is highlighted

• role of media in shaping public opinion and the need for critical engagement with information sources are discussed.

• tracing the influence of media and propaganda back to the 14th century and its impact on public perception.

(22:01) Voluntarism and Anarchism

• The nuances between voluntarism and anarchism

• appeal of decentralized governance as seen in medieval times

(25:11) Medieval Governance and Libertarianism

• Jeb delves into the libertarian aspects of medieval kingship

• decentralized power and laws were derived from longstanding customs

• voluntary nature of medieval societies is contrasted with modern centralized governments, offering insights into historical governance models.

(30:36) The Role of Kings in Medieval Society

• The limited power of medieval kings is examined, challenging modern perceptions of monarchy as inherently oppressive. 

• The king's role as a protector and upholder of law, rather than a ruler, is discussed, highlighting the community-driven nature of medieval governance.

(35:13) Decentralization and Self-Government

• benefits of decentralized governance

(39:45) Abortion and Government Involvement

• The role of government in moral issues like abortion 

• importance of cultural and educational influences over legislation. 

• Jeb and Craig advocate for a society where moral decisions are guided by personal beliefs and community values rather than government mandates.

(43:24) Rebellion Against Tyranny

• The medieval perspective on resisting tyrannical rulers

• importance of prioritizing divine law over human authority

• power of collective disobedience in challenging unjust laws and the role of faith in guiding moral actions

(45:51) Education and Indoctrination

• The critique of modern education systems as tools for conformity

• emphasis on the need for independent judgment and critical thinking 

• The role of education in shaping societal values and obedience

(54:18) Democracy and Totalitarianism

• The inherent progression of democracies towards totalitarianism 

• limitations of conservative and libertarian values within a democratic system

• challenges of maintaining individual freedoms and resisting the centralization of power are 

(59:09) Libertarianism and Political Realities

• limitations of libertarianism within the current political framework 

• need for decentralization to truly achieve libertarian ideals

• importance of allowing diverse communities to coexist, each with its own set of values and governance structures

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103. Fiction as a Mirror for Anarchy and Faith Insights with Joseph Macolino

About this Episode

Join us as we embark on a captivating journey with Joseph Macolino, a masterful storyteller whose love for fantasy began in childhood. Joseph shares the evolution of his fictional universe, Evorath, and the tales that populate its thousand-year timeline. Drawing inspiration from literary giants like Tolkien and Orwell, Joseph crafts narratives that resonate deeply with themes of governmental skepticism and the pursuit of a society aligned with the teachings of Christ. His trilogy stands as a testament to the power of fiction in challenging our beliefs and illuminating the path to Christ's kingdom.

Throughout our conversation, we thread the needle between fiction and reality, exploring how the characters in Joseph’s fantasy series confront the winds of change, transitioning from a structured monarchy to a society where Christian anarchist principles reign supreme. This isn't just about creating another world; it's about challenging the status quo, questioning the reader's long-held beliefs, and presenting a tapestry of upheaval that resonates with both historical and contemporary political movements. The tales shared offer more than escapism - they invite introspection and boldly propose a life governed by faith rather than fear

Wrapping up our expedition into Evorath, we delve into the lives of characters who are as multidimensional as the world they inhabit. Villains reveal vulnerabilities and heroes grapple with the unforeseen repercussions of their deeds. Through them, we glimpse a society in flux—a monarchy giving way to a republic, and ultimately an anarchist community living out these principles. It's more than just a fantasy series; it's a reflection of libertarian turned anarchist ideology and the perennial quest for a harmonious existence. Join us for this imaginative and thought-provoking episode that's sure to provoke discussion and maybe even inspire a reevaluation of the way we view our world and the powers that govern it.

Connect with Joseph Macolino:

• Evorath.com

• Follow Joesph on Amazon

• Advanced Reader Copy (Arc Reader)

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

01:08 Exploring Anarchy Through Fiction

•  Introduction to Joseph Macolino, inspired by Tolkien and Orwell.

• Creation of the fictional universe Evorath, developed from high school to college.

• Joseph's trilogy explores themes of questioning government authority and discovering Christian principles.

12:35 Spreading Christian Anarchy Through Fiction

• The intersection of fiction and Christian anarchism is highlighted.

• Influence of various texts, maintaining a critical perspective.

• Story arc in fantasy series depicts the transition from monarchy to an anarchist society, paralleling historical movements.

• Aim to challenge preconceptions and promote Christian anarchism through storytelling.

19:59 Discussing Writing, Influence, and Christianity

• Focus on Evorath's world-building, where humans are divinely created.

• Discussion on media influence and personal experiences of non-conformity.

• Importance of writers in highlighting societal propaganda and Christian resistance.

• Emphasis on living according to Jesus' teachings despite potential opposition.

28:22 God Is Strategic

• A personal anecdote about a significant encounter and the concept of divine timing.

• Reflection on the creative process and progress in writing projects.

• Introduction of the 'Bad Woman Project' and a call for support.

• Teaser for the content of upcoming books without giving away specifics.

31:46 Expanding on Book Two Characters

• Insight into Averath's characters, including the villain Yazook Stahl.

• Exploration of shapeshifter species and character development.

• Themes of power, corruption, and societal improvement are examined through character arcs.

39:46 Fantasy Series and Libertarian Ideology

• Introduction of diverse races and characters in the third book.

• Characters question tribal loyalties, leading to the formation of a new community.

• Discussion on societal ideals, comparing the fictional society to voluntarism.

• Upcoming books to delve into the complexities of a society striving for harmony post-trilogy.

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