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105. Translating the Bible – Is the Greek Right? with Duncan Palmer

About this Episode

Have you ever considered how the subtle nuances of ancient Greek can reshape our understanding of biblical scriptures? Well get ready, because in this episode Craig welcomes back Duncan Kerry Palmer to dissect his thought-provoking article, "Political Power and the Connotation Conspiracy." The conversation delves into the complex relationship between Christianity and state authority, with a particular emphasis on the impact of ancient Greek language on biblical scripture interpretation.

The podcast reveals how the translation of words such as 'exousia' and 'hupotaso' from Greek to English can drastically change meanings from 'authority' to 'power' and 'obey' to 'align with.' These linguistic transformations shed new light on well-known scriptures like Romans 13 and Acts 5:29, prompting a reevaluation of Christian perspectives on government, law enforcement, and societal roles.

Palmer provides anecdotes from his biweekly theological debates, adding depth to the discussion on how these subtle linguistic changes can impact Christian views on governance and societal roles. The dialogue is as rich as the cigars enjoyed during those fraternal exchanges, emphasizing the importance of humility and the acknowledgment that our understanding of absolute truth may be more fragile than we'd like to admit.

Listeners are challenged to critically examine scripture and question long-held beliefs, embracing the journey towards a deeper understanding of God's word. The episode concludes with an exploration of the controversial issue of translation conspiracies and their impact on Christian doctrines, particularly in relation to the alleged divine sanctioning of governmental authority. As they grapple with convenient passages like "render unto Caesar," the hosts encourage believers to reconsider what they've been taught. This episode is not only informative but also encourages transformative engagement with faith and politics. Tune in and be prepared to have your perspectives challenged and potentially reshaped.

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Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

01:02 Christian-State Relationships

  • Duncan Kerry Palmer's article "Political Power and the Connotation Conspiracy"

  • Impact of translation on scripture interpretation, conspiracy possibility in translations.

  • Updates on biweekly theological discussions.

  • Engaging in debates, acknowledging limited understanding.

02:04 Scripture Through Translation

  • Understanding scripture beyond face value translations.

  • Potential for translation errors to influence interpretations.

05:02 Modern-Day Pharisees and Wisdom

  • Concept of modern-day Pharisees, wisdom with age.

  • Humility continued learning in understanding scripture.

07:07 Connotation in Translation

  • Challenges faced by translators, subtle meaning shifts.

  • Translation leads to misconceptions about divinely sanctioned powers.

  • Importance of critical analysis of biblical language.

15:30 Greek Words in Scripture

  • Biblical Greek nuances, influence on scriptural concepts of authority and submission.

  • Significance of consistent word usage for understanding.

  • Mistranslations of "exousia" and "hupotaso", importance of context.

28:43 Biblical Terminology

  • Directive to "make disciples of all nations", misinterpretation related to converting governments.

  • Personal anecdote about a speeding ticket, reaction to authoritative language.

  • Difference between persuasion and command in leadership.

42:56 God's Government Through His Assembly

  • Concept of governance, spiritual authority from a Christian perspective.

  • Biases in translation and interpretation, the word "Ecclesia."

  • Scripture implications for Jesus' role as a ruler, governance through the church.

54:16 Translation Conspiracies in Christianity

  • Misuse of scripture to justify statism, complacency in accepting interpretations.

  • Acceptance of out-of-context verses need for deeper scripture study.

  • Potential influence of translation committees on skewing original text meanings.

10:02 Lost in Translation

  • "Connotation stack up" effect on scriptural interpretation.

  • Stacking translations misleading readers about biblical instructions.

21:24 Romans 13 and Governing Authorities

  • Interpretation issues surrounding Romans 13, historical context.

  • Critical difference between "submit" and "obey" in scripture.

24:14 Christianity and Politics

  • Relationship between Christianity and politics, scriptural translation.

  • Role of political authority in relation to faith.

36:43 Untranslated Greek Words in the Bible

  • Presence of untranslated Greek words in the Bible, implications for understanding.

  • Translating certain Greek terms for clarity in Christian doctrine.

42:56 Government, Church, and Satan's Kingdom

  • Secular nation-states as "fiefdoms of Satan."

  • Governance, spiritual authority through the church vs secular entities.

47:06 Power and Authority of Christ

  • True power, authority of Christ vs earthly rulers.

  • Recognition of Jesus as the one true King, rejection of secular authority figures.

53:03 Frustration With Christian Statism

  • Frustration with Christians accepting statist interpretations of scripture.

  • Active effort in studying scripture for discerning true message.

01:00:59 Explore Duncan’s Work

  • Reading articles on Peakd.com or his Hive Blog

  • Duncan’s email: creator@sidefire.com

  • Engagement with content, resources for deeper understanding.


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60. God or Government - Who's in Charge of the World? with Pete Rollo of Rival Nations & Abby Cleckner

About this episode

In this episode, Craig and his better podcast half, Abby Cleckner, are joined by Peter Rollo, founder of the website and blog project Rival Nations. Pete shares the history of Rival Nations, why he started it, why he was anonymous for so long, and where the project is headed. 

If you’ve ever questioned if the world of politics, on any side, be it liberal, conservative, anarchist, or libertarian always seems prone to the ways of this world, to violence. This episode looks at why that is, and why we, as Christians are called to a different kingdom, and we must continue to abide by the ways of that Kingdom, the one Jesus showed us, rather than pursue earthly powers.

Too often we find Christians falling into the fallacy that, if we just get more Christians elected into office things will change, and God’s will can be implemented, with the right leaders, but this is the illusion we see Jesus reject time and time again in the Bible. How do we get to this conclusion? By looking at what Jesus has to teach us. In the second half of the episode, Pete breaks down his article, Christians Can’t Be in Government, to show us exactly who is at the forefront of political power (hint: it is not God!).

We see Israel fall when it turns to earthly Kings, and we see Jesus reject the role of Messiah, in an effort to show us God’s way, not Man’s. Rival Nations is a digital archive of Pete’s theological journey, and it all started with seeing Jesus as a political force, not in his pursuit of political power, but, rather, in his rejection of it. Let us know what you think and the comments, or by sharing your thoughts on social media!

Episode Timestamps:

1:46 Pete’s Background

  • Public ministry and expressing “radical” viewpoints

4:08 The difficulty of engaging those we disagree with

6:31 Peter’s Political Journey 

  • No political ideology or government aligns with Jesus

  • Jesus is the alternative to the earthly missions of political movements

  • Jesus is political

8:27 Creation of Rival Nations (formerly done anonymously)

  • Peter created the website as a tool for himself

11:30 How the Political realization of Jesus transformed Peter’s Theology

  • Word Gospel was not a Hebrew word, but a word caesar was using and Jesus co-opted the phrase

  • Early church’s focus on Jesus

  • Modern church’s alignment with the Roman Catholic church vs. the early church of historic Christianity

  • Anabaptist 

16:17 Peter’s Article - Christians Can’t Be in Government

  • If you take Jesus seriously, we must abstain from seeking political power

  • The myth of “getting more Christians in office will fix things”

  • George W. Bush claimed to follow Jesus vs. his actions while in office (war)

  • Can a Christian run a secular government, without engaging in violence

  • Governments cannot love their enemy the way Jesus calls on us to love ours

  • Satan offered Jesus political power and Jesus rejected it

    • Politics pulls us away from God?

    • Satan wants more Christians in office

 

20:22 Did God create the government (or any government)?

  • 1 Samuel 8

  • Humanity was given authority over animals and nature - not humanity

  • Israel had no king and was supposed to be an example, but they fell into wanting kings

    • Violence always comes from wanting to control others

  • The whole power structure has to be turned upside down to follow Jesus

  • The notion of “Jesus for President” can never make sense with the current system

27:06 Jesus being tempted with political power and rejecting it

  • Jesus avoided term Messiah

    • Had violence in its history

  • People kept trying to make him king

  • Satan directly tempts him

  • Jesus is not going to come back and be violent

    • Why would Jesus change his mind?

  • Jesus will not “slay out enemies”

    • Our propensity toward violence drives us to this thinking

  • The myth of American Cowboy

    • “Might makes right”

    • Our enormous military power

  33:07 Opt-Out and Follow Jesus

  • America is not our nation, Christnation is

  • We are ambassadors of the Kingdom of Heaven

  • But what about paul using his Roman citizenship?

    • We do what we need to survive practically and leverage situations for our mission for God and further the Gospel

  • Accepting Jesus as king of your life is the only citizenship you get to choose to participate in

    • What paul talked about was a rival nation to Rome

38:59 “God puts people in political power”

  • Reading Romans 13 without reading Romans 12

  • Old vs. New Testament

  • 3 Temptations of Jesus

  • Is Satan only interested in Jesus worshiping him?

  • If we know the temptation, why would we partake in it?

  • Does Romans 13 work for Nazi Germany?

    • Then it doesn't work for you and America

44:49 God in the Process of Resorting All Things

  • Escetoloy

  • Times Theology

  • Eternal Torment 

48:10 Connect with Peter and Rival Nations

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