89. Navigating Revivals in Christianity with Cody Cook

About this Episode

Why is it that religious revivals often spark controversy within the very community they aim to uplift? And how can we bridge the chasm between differing interpretations of faith within Christianity? Join host Craig Harguess, as he sits down with theology major and Christian anarchist, Cody Cook, for a thought-provoking conversation on the Asbury revival and the stir it caused among fellow Christians. We delve into the fervor of the event, its resistance among some Christians, and its relation to the Great Awaking and other revivals, examining why Cody and I found ourselves more than okay with this revival.

In our discussion, we draw parallels between the Asbury revival and the Great Awakening from the 1740s. We ponder on the nature of revival and what it could mean when God moves amongst a group of people. As we sift through the criticisms and controversies surrounding these revivals, we grapple with the reactions of different Christian sects, questioning the rigid definitions of revival. We unlock insights into why the Asbury revival resonated with so many, and the potential implications it holds for us today.

Finally, Cody and Craig put the spotlight on the importance of inclusivity and respect within the Christian community. We challenge our understanding of Christian faith and the ways to reconcile our differences. We reflect on how we can extend an open invitation to newcomers to the faith without stymieing their spiritual journey. This episode of the Bad Roman Podcast invites you to contemplate faith, revivals, and Christian controversies in a new light. Pour yourself a cup of coffee and join us as we navigate these intriguing topics with Cody Cook.

Cody Cook:

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Episode Timestamps:

1:06 Who is Cody Cook?

• Theology Major

• podcaster

3:05 Asbury Methodist University

• Why are Christians caught up in it?

• Matthew 19:14

• Preventing people from worshipping Jesus

• Does everyone need to worship the same way?

• Modern Pharisees

8:32 What’s a real revival?

• Acts 2, Pentecost

• Scheduled revivals

• Multitude of definitions

• The Great Awaking in US History

13:29 Cody’s Facebook Post on the Asbury Skepticism Among Christians

• How skeptical should we be?

• Being discerning vs being critical to be critical

• Role of appealing to emotion

• Jonathan Edwards

• Charles Finney

• Manufactured vs. real movements of God

• The romanticized view of revivals

24:03 Great Awaking Compared to Asbury

• Not seen as positive by conservative Christians at the time

• Now seen as a nostalgic time

• Both sarked by young people

• George Whitfield

32:12 Jesus Revolution movie pushback at the same time

• Who gets to determine who can worship Jesus

• What posture should Christians take to those who are ‘other’?

• Allow people to have a journey in their faith

• Faith is not fixed 

41:34 Healthy Skeptisim

• Christin celebrities

• God moves among people

• Revival is not a pure movement of God – it involves us

• The diversity inherent in us must be present in God if we are made in his image

• We can all learn from each other and know God better

53:03 Cody’s Plugs

• Libertarin Christian Insiutute

• Cantus Firmus Podcast

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69. From angry An-Cap to peaceful Christian with John Krueger

About this Episode

Craig is joined by John Krueger for a conversation about his journey from being an angry Anarcho-Capitalist to a peaceful Anarcho-Christian. Unjust police killings, SWAT raids gone wrong and harsh lockdowns made John angry. He was eager to learn how to use a gun and imagined himself needing to protect his family from police violence. In the midst of this, the Holy Spirit met John and showed him a peaceful option.

Libertarian philosophy is peaceful, but we need Jesus and His word to have the whole picture. Craig and John advocate for Christian pacifism and examine what was going on in their hearts at the points when they both contemplated joining the military. Craig and John discuss the libertarian and Christian anarchist positions on the decriminalization of drugs, the real needs of terrorists, the US at war, gun control, and other contentious current issues.

The state is coercion and violence. Laws are enforced with fines that are begrudgingly paid to avoid the threat of violence or time spent in a cage. You cannot make people peaceful like this, using the state’s methods. But rather, we need to be those who allow the Holy Spirit to work in us to change the hearts and minds of those surrounding us; that is how social change works in the Kingdom. Let’s listen to Jesus and do things His way, forsaking violence and anger. Let’s work towards peace.

Connect with John Krueger on

• Practical Christology

• TikTok

Episode Timestamps:

1:27 – Who is John Krueger?

• From Columbus, Ohio

  • Grew up attending church

• 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 stood out

  • Paul writes about grace

• Journey to anarchism

  • Read Blue Like Jazz

    • Jesus was not a republican or a conservative

    • Became politically independent

  • Eventually considered voting

    • Began researching libertarianism

      • Clicked with his understanding of the Grace of God

  • Took a few more years to become an anarcho-capitalist

8:58 – Libertarians, drugs, and terrorists

• It’s easy to understand decriminalizing marijuana 

• Harder to understand decriminalizing heroin use

  • People shouldn’t be locked in a cage for it

  • People should be free to make their own choices

    • Provided they aren’t hurting others

• Osama Bin Laden needed Jesus

  • Not bombs

  • We can’t bomb people into peace

    • If we bomb all sinners, there will be no one left

• John and Craig let go of the war stuff last

  • The history of the Middle East is important

  • The US is still at war

    • More people are mad at the US for continuously bombing them

• Jesus said in His Kingdom:

  • You rule by washing feet

    • Only pagans lord it over their subjects

  • But instead, our “Christian Nation” goes to war

    • To spread democracy

• We don’t need the government for roads

• We don’t need police

• Losing friends because of speaking out about:

  • Getting troops home

  • Veteran suicides

  • Broken men and families

  • Sending the poor to fight a rich man’s war

20:11 – Craig and John considered joining the military

• Craig wanted to kill people out of anger after 911

  • Application rejected

    • 4 pounds over the weight limit

• John wanted to join the military because he felt powerless

  • Wanted to be great in battle - like David

  • Experienced God’s compassion for those killed on both sides

• Christians still justify war and killing

  • Jesus said when you have seen me, you have seen the Father

  • There is nothing about Jesus’ life that says you can kill in war

• Pacifism is the way for Christians

  • Craig still gets a hard time from Christians for his pacifist stance

  • The early church was 100% pacifist

    • Even to their own deaths

  • Jesus healed the Roman soldier and admonished Peter

    • When Jesus disarmed Peter, he disarmed every Christian

26:24 – Libertarians and Gun Control

• After shootings those on the left talk about taking away guns

• But guns will be taken away by force

  • Giving more power to the state

• Need to study history

• We don’t advocate for gun control

  • It’s enforced by violence

  • We should bear God’s peace instead

• The left sees calls to reduce state size as calls to let people starve

• John does not own guns, 

  • Only advocates for less government action

• We don’t use the state for any reason

• The same people who take guns away are those who shoot unarmed black men

• Fines are enforced through the threat of violence

• The ‘hero’ who ended the life of a would-be shooter still ended a life

• Jesus would not be training churches to enact violence

• We are here to bring the gospel to people

37:10 – From angry An-Cap to peaceful Christian Anarchist

• When John was an An-Cap he was angry at the state

  • Police killings made him angry

  • Made him want to get into guns

• Angry at government shutdowns because of shutdowns

• Holy Spirit showed him it would be better to defy the government in peaceful ways

  • Sneakily helping people

  • Blessing those who curse

  • Not needing to worry about what to say in front of judges

• Libertarians are never happy with the government

  • No matter who is in power they are stuffing everything up

  • Anger is not the fruit of the spirit

• Romans 11-14 need to be read together

  • Our heart position should be peaceful

• Libertarians need Jesus to have the full picture

42:48 – Romans 13 and libertarianism

• “Submit” and “obey” are not the same

  • When Christians get it wrong: 

    • They end up supporting government atrocities

    • Lives will be ruined

    • The state becomes an idol

• The early church withheld communion from people who worked for the state

  • Unless people were already soldiers

    • And had sworn off killing or oppressing people

    • None wore their weapons

    • All were to serve

• Getting Christians into power will not help

  • It is no longer Christianity

• The power is the wrong power

  • The Holy Spirit is the only power we need

  • Political power is force

  • Christians do not need to take the ”Seven Mountains” of power

  • These do not sound like Jesus

• Polycarp would not denounce Jesus

  • In the face of his own death

  • King Jesus has never done me any harm

• Everything that the state does harms somebody in some fashion

  • If they are helping you, they are harming someone else

  • The state is not a protector

• Jesus Christ is the only King

  • He wants the best for us

54:12 – How should we pray for government?

• We should pray for government and leaders

  • Craig prays for the state to end

  • The current chaos is caused by the state

  • We need to follow Jesus and walk away

  • John prays for leadership to know the gospel

    • Not the American folklore

    • But the true gospel

• Craig will take the words of the early church fathers over pastors

  • When modern pastors disagree with the early church

  • They still screwed things up

  • They aren’t Jesus

  • They were closer in time to Jesus

  • We need to get back to that

    • What we are doing now as the church is not working

• The Reformers had a blind spot when it came to the church

  • They killed people

• The Anabaptists became the Mennonites and Amish

  • They were peaceful

• Catholics are going back to mysticism

  • The church fathers and grace teachings

1:02:54 – Let’s bring it back to Jesus

• Listen to Jesus

  • Love your neighbor

  • Love your enemy

  • Love God

• It’s impossible to follow His teachings

  • But we should try:

    • Working towards good

    • Not working toward violence

    • Not working towards anger or hate

    • Working towards peace

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17. Kerry Baldwin - Asking Better Questions

In this episode, Kerry Baldwin is back to talk about her new courses designed to help people of all ages become critical, reflective, thinkers and why this lost skill is becoming more and more crucial. Craig and Kerry begin their conversation by taking a look at how both the public’s and the government's responses to COVID-19 have shifted since April.

They next dive into Kerry’s course where we are invited to reconsider how we think about thinking, learning, and what actually is wisdom? This episode is not about answers, rather it is a beacon to the importance of crafting the question to precede any answer.

Timestamps and resources to start learning more:

1:17 Who is Kerry Baldwin 

• Kerry’s Facebook page

• Coronavirus New Mexico

• Governor of New Mexico - Michelle Lujan Grisham

5:51 Shifts in public attitudes toward COVID-19

• Bad Roman Episode #2 with Kerry Baldwin

• Friedrich Hayek quote about  the fatal conceit

• Oedipal mother 

11:16 Are coronavirus measures removing our humanity?

• The immune system

• Coronavirus mortality rate

• Crime against humanity?

13:35 Kerry’s Socratic Seminars

• What is it, who is it for?

• A brief history of the Socratic method

• Socrates

  • His death 

• Ignorance as a starting point for learning 

  • Ignorance vs. stupidity

• Intellectual humility

21:36 Materials Kerry uses in her course and why

•   Middle schoolers

  • The Tuttle Twins Series

  • Kerry’s created lessons

• High schoolers

  • Lessons for the Young Economist, Robert Murphy

  • Out of Frame Series. The Foundation for an Economic Education

• Adults

  • Murray Rothbard’s For New Liberty

  • Lessons & discussions on education, faulty reasoning, manipulation and more!

• Weekly Zoom discussions to practice the Socratic Method - learning how to ask good questions 

26:53 Social media contrasted with the Socratic method

28:41 Importance of participation in the Socratic method...aka why you can’t skip the Zoom call

• Benefits of a coach in facilitating an open learning environment

• Starting with asking questions and feeling safe asking them

• Answering questions you weren't’ prepared for

33:58 How does this method teach critical thinking?

• Different skill levels in thinking - 6 Stages

  • Unreflective thinker

  • Reflective thinker

• Socrates definition of wisdom - the more knowledge you have about the world the more you realize how much you don’t know 

• Those with less knowledge believe they know more than actually do - Dunning-Kruger Effect 

• Socratic method as a way to learn about the world and self

• How can these skills help us with social media?

40:09 Understanding how true statistics can be framed to manipulate us

• Correlation vs. causation 

43:04 Kerry’s Socratic seminars vs. lecture-style classes  

• What does learning look like to you?

• Permission to fail and be wrong

• Teacher pouring knowledge into student vs. engaged learning

•  Forced vs. voluntary engagement/participation

50:00 Why we need more people involved in asking good questions and productive methods of conversation

• It’s ok not to agree, in fact, we don’t want everyone to agree with us

• It’s not about “putting someone in their place”

• Social media and the desire to be right, even without understanding why you may be right (or wrong)

53:16 Learning more from being right than being wrong

• The “gut punch” of being wrong

• Getting comfortable with not knowing

• Bruised egos

55:37 What skills do students develop?

• Compare and contrast, clarifying issues conclusions and beliefs, understanding the difference between over-simplification and generalization

• “Feelings care about facts”

• Intellectual humility, courage, and integrity

• Independent thinking, self-awareness, fair-mindedness

• Perseverance, confidence, and reason

• And more!

57: 41 Feedback: What people have said of Kerry’s Socratic Seminars 

• Don’t underestimate kids!

• Giving kids a safe environment to make mistakes and what they will reveal they know

1:01:00 What we can learn from younger generations

• Why “old people” may be stuck in their ways - what’s going on in a child’s brain?

• Neuroplasticity

1:04:25 Kerry’s plugs

• Website: courses.meereliberty.com

• Facebook group

• Sign up for a course!