About this Episode

What would security look like in a society without government? In this episode of the Bad Roman podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Jeff Perry from Voluntarism in Action to explore this intriguing question. They delve into the concept of voluntary society security, discussing how private security firms, insurance-based models, and community-based solutions could replace traditional policing.

The conversation begins with a critique of the current government-run police system, highlighting significant issues such as qualified immunity, police militarization, and the lack of accountability. Jeff and Craig argue that the existing system often fails to protect citizens and instead perpetuates a cycle of fear and control. "The police protect you from what they'll do to you if you don't pay them," Jeff asserts, challenging listeners to rethink the foundational myths surrounding government and security.

Moving beyond critique, the discussion shifts to how free market principles could offer better incentives and outcomes for security services. Jeff explains how private security firms and insurance-based models could create a more efficient and ethical system. "In a free market, everyone together is smarter than anyone working alone," he notes, emphasizing the potential for innovation and improved services when competition is allowed to flourish.

The episode also explores community-based solutions, such as neighborhood watch programs, which could provide localized and responsive security. These solutions, Jeff argues, would be more accountable to the people they serve, unlike the current system where police are often insulated from consequences.

From a Christian perspective, Craig and Jeff delve into how voluntary solutions align more closely with Christian principles than coercive government systems. They discuss the moral implications of using force and coercion, contrasting it with the teachings of Jesus. "Jesus wants your heart. He doesn't want to force you to obey his commands," Jeff explains, highlighting the ethical alignment between Christianity and voluntaryism.

Episode Quotes:

"The police protect you from what they'll do to you if you don't pay them."
"In a free market, everyone together is smarter than anyone working alone."

Quick Takeaways:

Understanding the potential of private security firms and insurance-based models in a voluntary society.
Recognizing the flaws in the current government-run police system, including issues of accountability and militarization.
Exploring how free market principles can create better security outcomes.
Challenging the myth that government inherently protects its citizens.
Aligning Christian principles with voluntary, non-coercive solutions for societal issues.

This episode is sure to provoke thought and encourage listeners to reconsider their views on security and governance. Tune in for a compelling discussion that questions the status quo and envisions a freer, more ethical society.

Connect with Jeff:

Voluntaryism in Action Website
Voluntaryism in Action LinkedIn
Podcast: Voluntary View on Spotify, iTunes, YouTube

Episode Timestamps:

00:02 Welcome and Introduction

Craig kicks off the Bad Roman podcast.
Today's topic: What would security look like in a voluntary society?
Special guest: Jeff Perry from Voluntarism in Action (VIA).

00:22 Recurring Question on Security in a Voluntary Society

Craig talks about the common question he gets about security in a voluntary society.
Reintroduces Jeff Perry, who previously appeared with his wife, Sarah.

01:53 Jeff Perry's Article on Voluntary Society Security

Jeff wrote an article on voluntary society security that Sarah shared in their discussion group.
Craig found the article insightful and wants to dive deeper into it.

3:07 Personal Experiences and Reflections

Craig and Jeff share their personal journeys towards understanding voluntarism.
Craig talks about his initial struggle with the concept, especially regarding police.

4:20 Police and State Power

They discuss the imbalance of power between police and the public.
Craig and Jeff debunk the myth that police are there to protect you.

7:14 Qualified Immunity and Police Accountability

Jeff explains qualified immunity and how it shields police from accountability.
They compare police behavior to that of ordinary citizens and highlight the unfairness.

11:07 Voluntary Society and Security Models

Jeff outlines potential security models in a voluntary society, like neighborhood watches and private security agencies.
The role of insurance companies in providing security services to reduce claims and enhance protection.

16:32 Economic Incentives and Market Solutions

Discussion on how market incentives would drive better security solutions.
The potential for various security agencies catering to different community needs and values.

20:22 Addressing Concerns about the Poor

How would poorer communities get security services in a voluntary society?
The role of community efforts and pro bono services.

24:56 Misconceptions about Lawlessness

Clarifying that a voluntary society would still have rules and agreements.
The importance of mutual respect and cooperation in maintaining order.

30:34 Private Prisons vs. Private Policing

Jeff addresses concerns about private prisons and distinguishes them from true market-based security solutions.
Focus on restitution and compensation rather than punishment.

36:49 Military and National Defense

Brief discussion on the myth of national defense and how voluntary solutions could address security without a standing army.
Reference to the book "The Myth of National Defense" by the Mises Institute.

40:39 Closing Thoughts

Craig and Jeff reflect on the importance of spreading the message of voluntarism.
Encouragement for listeners to support Voluntarism in Action and other voluntary efforts.

43:06 Contribution to The Show